The FTX hearing by the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs starts shortly. I'll be livetooting it here, and will be publishing a recap of it in my newsletter later.

Hearing stream: https://banking.senate.gov/hearings/crypto-crash-why-the-ftx-bubble-burst-and-the-harm-to-consumers
Newsletter:https://newsletter.mollywhite.net/

I'll use the #FTXhearing hashtag throughout, so feel free to filter it out if I'm clogging your feed or you'd rather catch up later.

Crypto Crash: Why the FTX Bubble Burst and the Harm to Consumers | United States Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

The Official website of The United States Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

Statements by witnesses—Prof. Hilary Allen, Kevin O'Leary, Jennifer J. Schulp, and Ben McKenzie—have already been published at the link above.

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Sen. Brown (D-OH) opens with a very critical statement, where he talks about Facebook's Libra project (shut down by gov't.) which he describes as a "shiny tool" to try to extract money from consumers.

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"Crypto doesn't get a free pass because it's shiny and bright, or because venture capitalists think it might change the world." – Sen. Brown

Brown urges that this hearing is not just about FTX, but will focus on the crypto industry and consumer protection.

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Sen. Toomey (R-PA) says largely the opposite to Brown, and echoes the crypto industry's line that we must separate FTX's wrongdoing from all this promise that supposedly exists in the industry.

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"There's nothing intrinsically good or evil about software, it's about what people do with it... Code committed no crime..." – Sen. Toomey

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Toomey says some Senators have suggested "pausing cryptocurrency" while hearings go on.

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The crypto industry clearly has a strong spokesperson and salesman in Senator Toomey.

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Sen. Brown introduces the witnesses. Prof. Hilary Allen and Ben McKenzie Schenkkan (better known as Ben McKenzie) will be critical of crypto; Kevin O'Leary and Jennifer Schulp are both pro-crypto.

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First up is Prof. Hilary Allen. Her statement is challenging crypto's claims they are decentralized. She has suggested that "a ban on crypto would be the most straightforward".

She says that if legislators are not willing to proceed with a ban, then they must be very careful not to enact laws that would make crypto "too big to fail".

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Now Kevin O'Leary is up. He was a paid spokesman of FTX. He's listing his crypto entanglements, and talking them up 🙄

O'Leary echoes Toomey in his statements that Bitcoin "isn't a coin, it's software".

This is a recently popular argument, which seems to seek to lean on "code as speech" precedence.

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O'Leary explains how HE will be the one to do the detective work on what happened at FTX.

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He characterizes skeptics as "entrenched businesses" who "abhor competition".

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Now Jennifer J. Schulp, who's in camp "this is an FTX problem, not a crypto problem". She's talking up defi.

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She characterizes various regulatory suggestions from the crypto-critical as "taking technological choices out of people's hands."

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"Risk is a natural component of markets, and failure is often necessary for development."

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Now Ben McKenzie, who says the crypto industry depends on "misinformation, hype, and, yes, fraud".

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McKenzie is outlining how he does not believe that cryptocurrencies are currencies, and how he believes that every cryptocurrency is a security.

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"In my opinion, the cryptocurrency industry represents the largest Ponzi scheme in history." - McKenzie

Sen. Brown asks if this kind of fraud exists at other crypto firms.
Allen: Yes
O'Leary: Yes, at unregulated exchanges
Schulp: Most likely
McKenzie: It's endemic.

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McKenzie outlining the cross-pollination between execs at online gambling and fraud enterprise Ultimate Bets and the crypto industry: Stuart Hoegner at Tether and Dan Friedberg at FTX

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O'Leary not great at yes or no questions. He claims the comparison to gambling are outdated and like early comparisons of the stock market to gambling.

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Sen. Toomey pushing back on McKenzie's claim that all cryptocurrencies—including Bitcoin—would be securities.

Not surprised there.

He's having Schulp make that argument for him.

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@molly0xfff lol - the stock market isn't gambling?

Enjoying these livetoots, thanks for doing this!

@molly0xfff online gambling, fraud, crypto...
those are synonyms, right?
@molly0xfff Why hasn't anyone read "Web3 is Going Just Great" into the record? That seems like it would address a lot of the issues
@molly0xfff I am shocked, shocked to hear that an industry built on a fraudulent premise might be full of fraud

@molly0xfff Wait, even the pro-crypto witnesses are saying “yup, fraud all over the industry!”

OK.

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Isn't the whole point of crypto to evade regulation and tracking? Beloved of crooks and libertarians alike?

@molly0xfff An unregulated speculative asset store and international exchange?

How can anyone's first thought NOT be "money laundering"?

@molly0xfff I love that pointless qualifier from O’Leary lol
@molly0xfff I have no idea how Ryan Atwood ended up testifying to Congress about how crypto is creatively using arithmetic to commit fraud but I am 💯 here for it.

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This is still the best response to claims that it is all a Ponzi scheme.

@molly0xfff what limited thinking! The Kim Jong-Un Patreon fund does so much more than bilk yokels! It funds terrorism, international cyber thieves, contributes significantly to global warming, fuels criminal markets for everything from underage human trafficking to mundane drug deals, serves as an excellent tool for tax evasion, sanctions evasion, and *also* bilks yokels.
@molly0xfff Interesting, but I don't see how Bitcoin is a security. Don't know about the others, because I've never looked closely at them.

@MattChambers For those curious about a standard definition of a financial security:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/security.asp

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What are Financial Securities? Examples, Types, Regulation, and Importance

A security is a fungible, negotiable financial instrument that represents some type of financial value, usually in the form of a stock, bond, or option.

Investopedia
@dredmorbius @molly0xfff Thanks! I'm a retired securities lawyer, so I know the definition better than that source. I don't see how Bitcoin is an investment contract or any of the other possibilities. Where are the efforts of others? Now, for other crypto assets, the analysis may be different. For example, I think stable coins and tokens probably are securities.

@MattChambers IANAL and am green to much of this (hence the "dumb question" / "standard definition" toot).

That said, from the article: Howey v. SEC (1946) and the Howey Test:

[T]he court found that the plaintiff's sale of land and agricultural services constituted an "investment contract"—even though there was no trace of a stock or bond.

This case established the four-prong Howey Test, which states that an investment can be regulated as a security if:

  • There is an investment of money.
  • The investment is made into a "common enterprise."
  • The investors expect to make a profit from their investment.
  • Any expected profits or returns are due to the actions of a third party or promoter.
  • No contract requirement.

    "Efforts of others" might presumably be, say, "enhancing the value of the cryptocurrency ecosystem" (I'm positing language a crypto-advocate might use, not my own), and transactions of others of those assets themselves, creating a putative market capitalisation.

    Edit: Markdown glitch, enum. list.

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    Howey Test Definition: What It Means and Implications for Cryptocurrency

    The Howey Test determines which transactions qualify as an "investment contract" and would therefore be subject to U.S. securities laws.

    Investopedia

    @MattChambers Also: the four-pronged test itself constitutes the contract, if I'm reading things correctly, based on the above article and follow-up on Howey.

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    @dredmorbius @molly0xfff Perhaps, but I think a court would want something more tangible in terms of efforts. For so called stable coins, you can see whatever makes it stable as efforts of someone. Same for tokens. But for a pure cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, hard to see the efforts of others.
    @molly0xfff ah yes, the highly paying business of *checks notes* warning people of scams.
    @molly0xfff I wonder what his MTTGF (mean time to Galileo fallacy) will be.
    @molly0xfff Kevin is desperate to maintain his tv money talk appearances
    @molly0xfff Because a TV personality is just the expert we need!
    @molly0xfff if it isn't a coin then why can you pay ransomware with it
    @molly0xfff It's hilarious he listed all the financial crashes that "had no long-term impact", each of which resulted in new regulation which is kind of the point of this hearing.
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    Hm, I wonder how this interacts with (or depends on?) the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling that money is speech protected by the 1st Amendment.
    @molly0xfff awesome, looking forward to people writing bad checks as a form of protected expression
    @molly0xfff Kevin O'Leary? Did FTX get its start on Shark Tank or something? 😀
    @molly0xfff I’ve always thought the “it’s software” argument is pretty laughable since at this point isn’t most money “software”? Seems like a reach when most fiat currency is already digital.
    @molly0xfff lol bullshit. I’d love to see someone argue that they can illustrate and print a convincing replica of the dollar and call it art
    @molly0xfff re: 'banning' things... legislators should consider that it's easier to buy a bag of heroin than a beer after 1 AM in most of the country.
    @molly0xfff How very thought provoking. This is such a difficult question since I can (vaguely) see the pros and cons of de fi and rampant capitalism.
    @molly0xfff I bet he requires payment in cash though.
    @molly0xfff He's out of a job in a few weeks. Might be signaling to the industry that he'd be a great lobbyist.
    @molly0xfff it’s a good thing he’s leaving