@aendra ...I/we really don't know enough about drag to be able to participate in the conversation.

- Packbats 🎒

@aendra do this poll again just for trans femmes tbh.

Personally I fucking hate it.

@aendra I'm trans and kinda mixed, I'm not a big fan of drag myself but I do know that I'm also not a fan of policing identities nor keeping up the "stay within the norm" fashion.

It really depends on how a person in drag acts and treats others, like if they're openly homophobic or transphobic then yea that's bad but most do it to support LGBTQ+ identity and I know there exists genderfluid people that do drag

@aendra I answered Ambivalent. And it's probably the most positive about it I've ever been. I used to think of it as basically our black and white minstrel show. In some hands it's used like that, as a weapon of ridicule.

but what we're probably thinking of now when we think of drag acts, and those story hours, etc... there's something else going on that's more positive, perhaps a reaching for a different way to be male. birds of paradise shining in the gloom of the forest floor.

@aendra I'm ambivalent about it. I think when I first came out I didn't like it, for some reasons that in retrospect I think were misguided.

These days, it's still not really my thing, but any and all breaking of gender norms is good imo, and has my unconditional support. Not to mention, lots of people who do drag are themselves also trans; there's some significant overlap in our communities, and the drag performers I've met are all really cool.

@aendra Trans people being upset about drag doesn't make sense to me.

Outside of internalized transphobia, I can't see why any trans person thinks that drag performers are stepping on their toes in any way.

No one owns masculinity, femininity, or any form of self expression. With respect to my own experience, I wear shorts, t-shirts and never wear makeup. How are drag queens at all making a mockery of me when trans women are as diverse as cis women in appearance, personality, experiences?

@aendra Is this "I hate drag on me" or "I hate drag on others" because I don't care what others do but I feel like drag on me is–

Oh nevermind, I'll just check "I have a complex relationship…"

@aendra There was this awesome tumblr post by sexualbolshevism:

when a trans woman says they hate drag they're probably not talking about the history of it as an opportunity for trans women, especially twoc, to publicly celebrate their femininity. they're talking about white cis misogynist men wearing us like a halloween costume and spitting on our heritage and getting praised by cis liberals for being "progressive"

That's why I'm ambivalent about it.

I'm ambivalent but probably should've chosen complex...

I don't really care for Paegents or how Drag has become debased through mainstream consciousness and for the reasons similar to @rhonda

That being said I fucking love the Ballroom scene

@aendra

In short:
- I don't have anything against drag
- I think the drag scene have been an ally to trans people, and contained/contains some trans people too, but I'm not really good at history, this leads me to have a positive feeling towards drag
- I'm not personally interested by drag
- I hate that the transphobic society mixes up drag and transidentity, and use the hate for each one to hate on the other
- That drag=trans feeling was even more present in the past, and was all I could see when I was young, so in my head it was like that too. Only way later I discovered what transidentity really is and that I could, in fact, be a woman as I wished I was. I have a small irrational resentment towards drag for that but rationally I know that the society is at fault, not drag.
- I feel like mainstream drag shows like Ru Paul's kinda perpetuate that drag=trans feeling, or at least spread some disinformation about trans people, I'm not sure because I never watched them, but I have a somewhat negative opinion/prejudice of them

I answered "complex relationship", overall it would be a rather positive feeling, but I have negative feelings about drag but that are not really the fault of drag itself.

@aendra

Sorry, I am indifferent to drag.

@aendra i have yet to meet a cis drag performer who wasn't extremely transphobic

and plenty who were and who were very often elevated by the cis gay community

@aendra Wasn't sure what to put, so I went with complex.

I'm neither enamored with it, nor hate it. It's art. I know there are trans people who have done drag (or still do), found support, or figured themselves out as a result. In the wider queer community, I think people usually know that. In the wider world, the complexity of stage performance vs identity can get lost.

I want unity, & mutual support across the board. I also want people in & out of the community seen as who they are.

@aendra my mom loved drag, she is super into musical theater and showtunes so she went to a lot of shows with those themes. I've never been into it but I think it's a cool art form :)

I'm not sure if visual-kei crossdressing or glamrock count too or if that's outside the specific culture

@aendra I chose "hate" as the closest answer but that doesn't mean I think there's anything objectionable about it*. It makes me uncomfortable but that's a "me" issue. I'm 100% in support of drag artists doing their thing, and I appreciate the long history of drag queens fighting for both gay and trans rights.

* Not as a rule at least.

@aendra
Not trans so not voting, but just wanted to say that I'm married to a lovely trans person.

Love is love!
@ItIsRosie

@aendra "drag" could mean all sorts of things. within one show each performer can be different. And it's easy to misinterpret what someone is expressing.

Here's a video about Lengger Lanang, in Indonesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ry8oZT5Qg&t=141s