Unlisted posts:

1. Your followers see them
2. They’re public on your profile
3. Anyone can link to them
4. Others can boost them
5. They show up in lists

They do not:

* Show up in the local feed
* Show up in the federated feed
* Show up when searching hashtags

Unlisted posts seem like a great way to post without cluttering the local/federated feeds.

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The federated feed seems pretty useless because it’s a firehose, so hashtags and the local feed of smaller, more-focused instances seem more useful for discussing topics with others you don’t follow or who don’t follow you.

If an instance has a theme, it seems like posting unlisted might be a good way to make far off-topic posts or if you’re generally being noisy.

I’m just thinking “out loud.” None of this will become policy on phpc.social.

2/3

Addendum… it turns out that unlisted posts with hashtags do not show up when following or searching for a hashtag. Oops!

See discussion starting here: https://bsd.network/@ellotheth/109398217415699336

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@ramsey I restricted the languages displayed to only ones that I speak to calm down the federated timeline a bit
@ramsey @leanhsi how did you manage to restrict the language in the federated timeline? I should probably do the same.
@richard @leanhsi Go to Preferences > Other and scroll down to Public Timelines.
@ramsey @richard @leanhsi Wow, that is really useful. Thank you for sharing. Also good for languages you're trying to learn :)

@ramsey
Especially in generic instances like I'm in, it doesn't make sense for personal use at all.

Perhaps bots could make use of it for like tracking trends.

@panigrc It was mental when I was in that server. You have no idea how happy I'm after moving here. phpc.social #FTW

Also, cheers @ramsey for the tip💪

@ramsey Totally agree, I am not using it at all 🙈 Local feed is also only partially useful... I am not only interested in a single topic, therefore I find it also incredibly hard to choose a server with a topic. I think I am just going to ignore local and federated timelines and maybe use hashtags to find stuff from people I don't follow.

@ramsey
I think posting unlisted in replies is great.
You get the first post of a thread, and the rest is not on the timeline. So threads do not clog up the timeline and people can early stop reading topics they do not care about (instead of finding out later)

chronological timeline forces me to click the threads anyway to read in correct order.

@mwfc I like this idea, too, but I was wrong about the hashtags. Unlisted posts containing hashtags are not discoverable even through search or following a hashtag. So, if you use hashtags in any of your unlisted replies, no one can find them when searching for those hashtags.

@ramsey
Yes.
So the question is, could it help to edit them at the end into the first post?or add another last post with hashtags that is public again?

No solution is perfect,but getting a lot of 5-10 posts threads condensed on the local public timeline might be worth something.

IIRC answers are usually in the same view scope.So having a unlisted post to reply to will default errors on "unlisted" posts as well with users not aware

Again, probably worth watching busy timelines and styles

@ramsey How do you do an unlisted post?
Posting to your profile - Mastodon documentation

Sharing your thoughts has never been more convenient.

@ramsey I’m really trying to wrap my head around this I swear. But I got to the part about “unlisted posts” and had to go look at a bunch of waterfall pictures. #IwillGetThis
@ramsey hmmm, think I'll start using this option more frequently
@ramsey unlisted posts won't show up in hashtag searches though, right?
@ellotheth @ramsey Yeah, this is one design choice I find baffling. Why would I put hashtags in my unlisted post if I didn't want it to show up in hashtag searches?

@lunasspecto @ramsey as always seems to be the case with #masto UX, there's some interesting discussion from back in the day:

Okay so like. Unlisted means "does not appear in public timelines". A hashtag timeline is a public timeline. I think we're pretty clear on this. Use case:

Talk about #followfriday without interrupting real #followfriday toots.

Unlisted public statuses should appear in hashtag timelines · Issue #5463 · mastodon/mastodon

Hashtags in public unlisted toots are processed, but the current implementation of hashtag timelines only displays public (not unlisted) toots, just as unfiltered local and public timelines. While ...

GitHub

@lunasspecto @ramsey oh yeah and a couple comments later, the origin of the warning we have now:

I don't fundamentally disagree with that, but it's not explained anywhere in Mastodon and it's quite confusing. I think the following things should be done to limit that confusion:

  • Display a short warning whenever a #hashtag is written down in the toot text area and the privacy setting for the toot is “unlisted”
Unlisted public statuses should appear in hashtag timelines · Issue #5463 · mastodon/mastodon

Hashtags in public unlisted toots are processed, but the current implementation of hashtag timelines only displays public (not unlisted) toots, just as unfiltered local and public timelines. While ...

GitHub

@ellotheth @ramsey Maybe it's just me but I would use # FollowFriday or #/FollowFriday if I wanted to talk about a hashtag without getting into the searches.

I would like to use hashtags in unlisted posts so I can do mildly self-promotional stuff without showing up in the Federated and Local timelines, though. But it seems unlikely to change now after people have had a few years to get used to it

@lunasspecto @ramsey i don't know, there's recent activity on that issue! all kinds of "settled" design decisions are getting dredged back up again with the influx.
@ellotheth @lunasspecto Do hashtags in your own unlisted posts show up when searching?
@ramsey @lunasspecto maybe if you've got the elasticSearch thing turned on?
@ellotheth @ramsey I mean, I can text search my own posts / favorites / boosts on this instance. But my own unlisted posts don't show up in the hashtags specifically, even if I get there by clicking the hashtag in my post
@ramsey The naming of this feature is terrible. It shouldn't take a post like this to explain all the ways it isn't unlisted.
@ramsey I've been doing my replies as unlisted, but my OTs as public. I wonder if I should my weird toots as unlisted...
@ellisgl Only thing I just found out that might make that problematic is if you use hashtags in your replies and want them discoverable. Apparently, “unlisted” also means you won’t find it when searching for a hashtag. 😳