Just briefly logged into mastodon and my mentions are mostly people debating my experiences here and whether I was entitled to tweet about them, and I just want to say, I was called slurs for days by people on *other instances* and received a death threat saying that they would do to me what was done to Emmett Till.

Anyone discussing any of this like *I* did something wrong, including by talking about it, is a fucking dipshit.

Have a fabulous fucking day.

I’m disgusted that protecting the reputation of the platform is more important to some people — including some Black people, what the actual fuck — than making sure people are safe, physically and emotionally.

That’s some nasty shit.

And to the “it’s just growing pains/join the right instance” crowd: Black people shouldn’t need a fucking Green Book to navigate the physical or virtual world.

But I hope everyone’s happy, I’ve said it here! Yay 😵‍💫
It’s easy for a bunch of people to sit around and theorize about growing pains when you’re not the one who has to wonder about what that noise is outside your house

Logging in to see that several replies to this thread are white people being white, complete with “you just have to live with it” and “it depends on your instance” and “are you using the reporting functions”

No I have a PhD in physics and have been using online interfaces since around 1989, so I don’t understand how software or whiteness works 🤡

Exhibit A. You’re lucky I can’t properly quote toot you.

https://mastodon.deepthot.org/@denebeim/109393969374948763

Joy Denebeim :verified_trans: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I'm curious in what way we're shrugging our shoulders? We can't help everyone, we can do what we can. What more do you want from random people?

deepthot

People who are genuinely concerned with building good communities in the Fediverse are people who are concerned with how to solve the problems being raised.

The rest of you are fine with virtual redlining, which is to say, you’re racists.

Everyone is looking for a single admin to blame. The account of mine that was attacked wasn’t even the blacktwitter one.

This is a structural problem. Anyone choosing to act like it’s an individual problem is contributing to the problem.

https://glitch.social/@wilbr/109394199061019011

wb x64 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] yeah idk if blacktwitter is a new instance or what but if the user making such vile statements isn't immediately banned, then blacktwitter needs to block that whole instance. Fediverse is a protocol like Email, not a website like FB or Twitter. There's no central place to lodge a grievance, each admin and user curates blocklists to keep evil assholes out of our inboxes.

G L I T C H
Replies like this are actually awful https://mastodon.lol/@NurseTonyF/109394445591635012
NurseTonyF he/him🖤🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🤎 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Dr. Prescod-Weinstein, I'm not tech savvy, but as I understand it, bc anyone can start an instance any time, building good communities here will be ongoing effort bc the current functions support server admins blocking servers & indiv mute/block. I don't have multiple marginalized IDs you boldly embody, but sorry you have to always be bold. Nurses nurture, so sending + vibes your way, & hope your experiences improve (virt & IRL). Im hopeful with young gen experiencing diversity earlier.

Mastodon.lol
NurseTonyF he/him🖤🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🤎 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] that was an unexpected, hurtful, and vague reply. i know it's not Black folks' job to educate us well-intentioned, erring whites, but it leaves me unable to apologize for what was terrible that I felt & said or to learn from it. Lashing out at attempts to be supportive is its own form of division. I'm not bold by nature, I could withdraw. My learning anti-racism is an intentional & continual process. Im committed to stand with the marginalized, as much as they'll have me.

Mastodon.lol
Some of you really think I care to be polite about any of this and that you are owed politeness and you are extremely fucking wrong
@chanda there is a clear vein of entitlement and privilege to annoy other people here and I'm not sure if it's mastodon or just the pseudointellectual "LET'S HAVE AN INTERNET DIALOG" folks who we all blocked on twitter already
And the calls for *me* to be more understanding of other people’s experiences on a thread about … checks notes … me experiencing a racist death threat https://witches.live/@mharr/109394782377811331
mharr (@[email protected])

@[email protected] That looks like an autistic nurse making social mistakes with language?

witches.live
Keep it up, I will show you all who you are.

I want people to look at the responses and how much time it takes to manage repeating the same thing over and over and dealing with all the micro aggressions and ask yourself: is this what Black people should do with our time?

I’m not doing this shit with you guys every day. More power to the folks who have been for years now. We all choose our battlegrounds I guess. Hopefully you see why I am choosing not to volunteer for this before I have to.

And if you don’t? Welp.

White people who want to engage with actual solutions: I am a fan of @schock’s work and suggestions and she makes some important interventions here: https://mastodon.lol/@schock/109383950563020172
Sasha Costanza-Chock (@[email protected])

Some quick notes on how we might build some of the essential infrastructure and governance processes that will be needed if #Mastodon is really going to be sustainable and viable as a mass-adoption social network (1/n):

Mastodon.lol
Here’s a fantastic interview about Twitter and Mastodon with @shengokai https://techpolicy.press/the-whiteness-of-mastodon/
The Whiteness of Mastodon

A conversation with Dr. Johnathan Flowers about Elon Musk's changes at Twitter and the dynamics on Mastodon, the decentralized alternative.

Tech Policy Press
And I’ve documented my experience here in this Twitter thread https://twitter.com/ibjiyongi/status/1590871183503024128?s=46&t=SBCEHRiM1ikjxU8yAKYVug
Chanda Prescod-Weinstein on Twitter

“Remember how you all said that it doesn’t matter what instance you’re on because you can follow anyone? Well that means Nazis can start new instances and seek people out to harass them, you fucking geniuses”

Twitter

There are lots of POC who have been in the Fediverse for years raising problems, so all this white innocence about how “we didn’t know this was a problem” is bullshit.

Also we are the species that worked out the mass of the Higgs Boson but you guys want me to believe that the problems people have been raised can only be solved by instance hopping and blocking? Lol ok sure, Karen Jan Chad

Small scale, voluntary content moderation is not a solution. And yes, I donate to my instance for maintenance. https://twitter.com/ibjiyongi/status/1595059216506568705?s=46&t=SBCEHRiM1ikjxU8yAKYVug
Chanda Prescod-Weinstein on Twitter

“That means recognizing that small-scale volunteer moderation is not a solution and underpaid large scale moderation is unethical.”

Twitter

Anyway, let me especially shout out the white scientists who are hanging out on your fediverse accounts talking about how great and peaceful it is here.

Y’all have your heads shoved way to your asses, congrats 🎉

So that list of people on Twitter to harass is going around but the Fediverse is the only place I got called a bitch and the N word today.

Anyway, for the folks who are like “I’m a person of color, and the Fediverse has been great for me,” thanks for letting me know that you are not someone folks can depend on for solidarity. The Fediverse’s reputation matters more to you than how another POC is doing. Cool✊🏽

Well this is an amusing variation of “we don’t have racism in Europe”

https://mast.hpc.social/@freemin7/109407222340929400

Toen ik een kind was, woonde ik in Engeland. Ik heb Nederlandse familie — ik spreek Nederlands! En je hebt boter op jou hooft, jackass 🤡

Johann-Tobias Schäg (@[email protected])

Content warning: Probably insensitive even if don't mean to be

HPC.social Mastodon
Content warning: “probably insensitive even if I don’t mean to be” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Yet here you are in my mentions, Jake

https://chaos.social/@jhamby/109417845889960147

Jake Hamby (@[email protected])

@[email protected] You're mourning that you spent years building up a massive following on social media and blocking white people like me who annoy you by "whitesplaining" using the wrong words. You're good at reliably generating and retweeting the content that gets your followers reliably outraged. I'm not interested in following you here (or there) since I get all the same stories from other sources. You're mourning the banter you had over there that you'll have to recreate here. That's unfortunate.

chaos.social

I don’t know how people can be online this much and still not understand the services and protocols they’re claiming to explain to other people. But folks should know Twitter didn’t build my block list for me, and my real identity verification provides absolutely zero extra services on that front. It just means people can’t easily impersonate me. And I can let them filter my mentions.

Your blue check mythology is so weird Jake

https://chaos.social/@jhamby/109407135631151399

Jake Hamby (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Those other folks don't have 100k followers on Twitter. The Fediverse can't handle realtime filtering of abuse from white supremacists because nobody's getting paid to do it, and there's next to no protection against abuse like you get from ad-supported social media. You're not safe here because you're being attacked by an army of right-wing trolls. Nobody in your set of circumstances is going to be free from seeing abuse here until we can stop all racists from ever making new accounts.

chaos.social
@chanda I mean, he'd get more out of actually reading and learning from what you post online and spend less time doing it. So much more effective AND efficient!

@chanda @jhamby oh Jake, oh no... this isn't it. You're literally putting words in someone's mouth and completely invalidating their experience. This is wrong, and I would hope you know better. I've done it before, too, and I recognized my error and learned from it.

https://chaos.social/@jhamby/109417845889960147

Jake Hamby (@[email protected])

@[email protected] You're mourning that you spent years building up a massive following on social media and blocking white people like me who annoy you by "whitesplaining" using the wrong words. You're good at reliably generating and retweeting the content that gets your followers reliably outraged. I'm not interested in following you here (or there) since I get all the same stories from other sources. You're mourning the banter you had over there that you'll have to recreate here. That's unfortunate.

chaos.social
@chanda Wow, this cat is absolutely not talking to you, but at the version of you, he's made up in his head.

He's not even pretending to try to hear what is being said. He just sounds like a petty white dude that doesn't want interesting people to take what little shine he has here.

Ha, when there's enough room for everyone to be whatever.
@chanda I'm not yet smart enough to follow all the replies and quotes etc just yet but I'm so glad you are back taking this on!
@chanda content warning: you may roll your eyes hard enough to sprain them
@fivetonsflax I debated whether to even read it because it announced itself as “hello this is going to be fucking ridiculous”
@chanda it's not racism unless it's from the United States - otherwise it's just sparkling discrimination? What a schmuck.
@chanda When I think of "cultures who regard human dignity as inviolable" the first group I think of are the Germans. They've definitely never violated human dignity. Nope. No sir.
@philosotroll @chanda they got around that by just not considering us human. Amazing how easy that makes choices.
@chanda Yeah, people need to shut down hate fast instead of make excuses and let it fester. I believe Mastodon will get better the more people use it. Keep pushing to make that better and thanks for speaking out! If I see hate speech I'll report it. I have a hot trigger finger.
@chanda I’m sorry people are horrid. I wish my words could heal your wounds. 🥺😡😥
@chanda where should we go? I am a Black woman lawyer who learned a great deal from the Black activists, academics, scientists, economists, historians, and writers that I discovered on Twitter. Is Post any better? I have set up there as well.

@led260 I won’t tell people what place feels best for them, but I will say that anyone telling you they’ve found a haven without racism has a bridge to sell you lol

The Fediverse is more unsafe and problematic than its proselytizers admit, and because they won’t acknowledge its problems, they aren’t getting fixed. So my goal isn’t to tell people where to go, but to be honest with people about the cesspool they are selling as 5 star hotel.

@led260 I just looked up Journal of the Plague Years and bookmarked it. Thank you for putting it in your bio. I am excited to dive in. I see the rise I’d authoritarianism and fascism and it frightens me. And when I get frightened, I get angry and determined.
@chanda Those other folks don't have 100k followers on Twitter. The Fediverse can't handle realtime filtering of abuse from white supremacists because nobody's getting paid to do it, and there's next to no protection against abuse like you get from ad-supported social media. You're not safe here because you're being attacked by an army of right-wing trolls. Nobody in your set of circumstances is going to be free from seeing abuse here until we can stop all racists from ever making new accounts.
@chanda I really hope that didn't come off as condescending. I'm just restating what you already said in different words, to say that yes, you're right, and I don't know what more to say.
@jhamby I really don’t need you to explain how this works to me. I know.
@chanda i'm sorry this is happening to you. thak you for letting us know and for pushing for solutions.
@chanda I was just thinking, would it help if everybody would check out the federated timeline regularly and report anything racist we find? This might take away some of the burden from black folks. No idea how effective this would be though.
@chanda more context on how some remark on how great and peaceful it is here, please. Do you mean on blacktwitter.io or elsewhere?
@orcmid @chanda omg read the WHOLE thread
@JynErso @chanda I have read the whole thread. I see what the experience has been. I am asking a specific question about people saying it is peaceful here (presumably for them), and what the context of that is. I see the reports of it not being peaceful, in fact, it being terrible.

@chanda If this happened to your coworker, friend, child or parent, wouldn't you be livid?

Well, it did. Get angry.

@chanda

There is no way to build good communities out of bad people.

Thinking about it gets you nowhere.

We need to change people, which is a language work at best, a violence work if all other fail. It is not a software work.

@chanda That looks like an autistic nurse making social mistakes with language?

@chanda im so sorry you have to deal with all this. fediverse has had an HOA problem for years, and white liberals are terminally incapable of doing anything but hashtagging about how many instances full of marginalized people they're blocking for not meeting HOA guidelines and pretending it's activism

i wish i had an answer, i don't, but thank you for speaking up

@chanda I'm not acting like it's an individual problem or assigning blame, I'm saying whichever instance you were on, the people who control that instance are responsible for keeping you safe and they're the only ones who can besides yourself. Yes it's a less secure structure because each server stands alone and takes moderation upon itself, but it's also more freeing since we're not all begging Zuckerberg to do the right thing. You can pick a server that does right by you.

@chanda Do you have any suggestions for how moderation on mastadon could be addressed?

Because Mastadon is a protocol and not a single website, and doesnt have any centralized gigantic pile of cash, it cant be moderated like pre-elon twitter was.

Short of moderating individual instances and maintaining a list of instances that are moderated to broadcast to, what can possibly be done to adress the issue?

@antique @chanda preapproved list of comments on posts only, same for DMs and maybe a safe mode on home that only shows posts from folk one has followed

@chanda
Could a shared charter for federation help? Some basic technical and legal/ social agreements?
Here’s an example draft one:

https://mastodon.social/@blaine/109378711322415343

I have many questions, especially about enforcing something like this. Would like to know any perspective you’d care to share.

@chanda as you wrote, you ARE part of an unstoppable line of thought, that IS going to WIN, when old white racists die, get out of power, & younger browner people *gasp* replace them politically & work together to dismantle racist policy. It may seem like all you do to clear a thorny path for others yields little bc it's still thorny, but the path will stay more open as more ppl walk it. I believe more will walk it with us. "anti-racism" coined in 1943. ppl hear it now. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-racism
Definition of ANTI-RACISM

opposed to racism… See the full definition