Just briefly logged into mastodon and my mentions are mostly people debating my experiences here and whether I was entitled to tweet about them, and I just want to say, I was called slurs for days by people on *other instances* and received a death threat saying that they would do to me what was done to Emmett Till.

Anyone discussing any of this like *I* did something wrong, including by talking about it, is a fucking dipshit.

Have a fabulous fucking day.

I’m disgusted that protecting the reputation of the platform is more important to some people — including some Black people, what the actual fuck — than making sure people are safe, physically and emotionally.

That’s some nasty shit.

And to the “it’s just growing pains/join the right instance” crowd: Black people shouldn’t need a fucking Green Book to navigate the physical or virtual world.

But I hope everyone’s happy, I’ve said it here! Yay 😵‍💫
It’s easy for a bunch of people to sit around and theorize about growing pains when you’re not the one who has to wonder about what that noise is outside your house
@chanda it is not growing pains. Vile people seem to migrate everywhere. It is difficult to police unless it is policed in the real world. A decentralized system is guaranteed to have unenforceable rules. There just has to be one domain willing to let them pass either because they agree with them or they are understaffed as this is run by volunteers. As a planet, we need a better thought out virtual world.

@economics @chanda You said it better than I could.

Dr. Prescod-Weinstein, you're probably not going to have the experiences you're looking for here, because people on the general Internet are awful and the real world is a white supremacist world. Also, you're a famous public figure, compared to the average person, with a large following, and in multiple groups that the far-right hates. This place isn't going to provide the experience you're seeking, because it can't. It may never be able to.

@chanda @jhamby @economics I don’t know if this is the point. Mastodon prides itself on being an inclusive, open-minded community but is collectively shrugging its shoulders at the plight of visible black people, which is a very tired and exclusive mentality.

@jedmund @chanda @jhamby @economics I'm curious in what way we're shrugging our shoulders?

We can't help everyone, we can do what we can. What more do you want from random people?

@denebeim

Maybe don't be a bystander when you see people you know doing bigoted shit.

@zzz @denebeim I don't reply when I see bigoted ish. I investigate the source host. If it's obviously bad, I report it. If it's not, I report the user. 100% kill rate so far (probably helped because SDF showed up with a deep bench of volunteers).

I keep seeing Black people talking about catching hate from instances which should have been defederated *immediately* upon launch. You really don't need to wait to see what their users will do.

@opendna @zzz as soon as I federated I got a slew of messages from some really toxic people. I defederated with the sites and so far our feed has been fine.

@opendna @denebeim

If you think the only people that can be bigoted on this network are people from instances with names like kill.all.ethnic.slur you aren't paying attention to what's going on.

The most insidious threats come from white self-identifying progressive people that just think they are giving "helpful advice". These people can harass marginalised groups for years and suffer no consequences since they don't pattern match as bigots to other white people.

@zzz @opendna I understand. I don't have users yet, however I've been in the moderator space since the 90s. I do my best to treat people well and learn from my mistakes. I have 0 tolerance for racism, misogyny, transphobia, and other bigotry. Deepthot is a safe space.
@denebeim my second response was more for @opendna since there has been a pattern of people misunderstanding where the major threats exist.

@zzz @denebeim That's a valuable reminder. Is that "microaggessions"? I understand there was a dog pile about CW which falls in that category (I missed it).

Most of the Black folks I followed from Twitter have spoken about the kind of instance-based harrassment I was referring to.

I want Black folks to feel safe and belonging. That's why it's upsetting to keep hearing that they're not even getting the default protection. That's not okay.

@opendna @zzz I do hope they're taking advantage of the controls designed into the system. I mean you have to choose the right instance to give you the traffic you want to see.
If you're on an instance who's owner doesn't stomp out racism, go to one that does. Federation means choice.

@denebeim @opendna

I think there is an air of victim-blaming in the sentiment that it's on the harassed person to magically know which instances are actually antiracist. Wouldn't it be better to have a set of norms where most instances can be assumed to be antiracist and racist attacks are rare enough to be chalked up to bad luck?

For now we have a network that is systematically racist and it's the victims of that racism that are expected to do the hard work. That needs to change.

@zzz @opendna go for it. You can put any social structure you want on top of the #fediverse then you're going to have to close it off from the rest of the fediverse. Remember you can only do two things for traffic control on the internet. You can #blacklist, or you can #whitelist. What you're describing is a set of #Mastodon federated instances gated behind a whitelist that dictates where you'll accept traffic from

@zzz @opendna that's in the protocol and there's no reason not to do that if you want.

Personally I prefer blacklists. I prefer to think most people are good and blocking bad actors is sufficient. Whitelists are for people who believe people are basically bad. I don't think I want to live in that world.