Lesley Carhart Nov 21, 2022

“Lesley, seriously? I wish you were my boss! That’s a ridiculously over the top way to advocate for your employee!”

No, it’s not ridiculous, people should be treated equitably and well like humans by companies, and their wellbeing and future success is heavily my responsibility… #management

Show threadLesley Carhart 
It drives me crazy how poorly a lot of US companies treat their people and how we are so desensitized to it that just suggesting doing things differently shocks people.
Nov 21, 2022 at 9:54pmWeb
Show threadRairii Nov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes and that's why you should never go peak capitalism
Show threadOJNov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes My people are my company. If I don't care about them, I am not caring about my company. Without them, I have no company.

Plus they're awesome people, which makes me want to keep them happy even more so.

Show threadJippi 🇩🇰Nov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes As someone born and living in Europe (Copenhagen, Denmark), it's always so puzzling and sad to see how my peers are treated in the US.

Salaries in the US are probably 2x Denmark, but the cost of having that difference is zero/almost no worker rights, dehumanised, mocked (looking at you Elon), mistreated and living in constant fear of being one accident or termination away from bankruptcy :(

Show threadLesley Carhart Nov 21, 2022
@jippi the 2x money means less when we are all one cancer diagnosis from being homeless
Show threadJippi 🇩🇰Nov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes I totally agree - my point was more that y'all probably would happily exchange the 2x for a 1x to get the same social stability and rights as we have in (most) of Europe - and in particularly in Scandinavia.

Our total cost are roughly the same, the main difference I think is you're expected to pay it yourself when needing it (and no uncapped cost), where we pay it up front and has no additional costs if our "spend" exceeds "savings" (taxes)

Show threadKrisNov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes seemingly every US company right now:
"We made a gajillion dollars this year; bought back a ton of stock; gave huge corporate bonuses; but we hired too many people so sorry about your holidays."
Show threadAustin PhilpNov 21, 2022
@webkris @hacks4pancakes "Oh, also - because of 7% inflation, we're raising prices across the board by 15%, don't mind the fact that we posted record profits last quarter"
Show threadSofiaNov 22, 2022
@webkris @hacks4pancakes literally what happened at the company i work for. Sure doesn't make us feel good.
Show threadBlueCrew86 Nov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes You mean treating people like humans instead of machine cogs is something that we should expect as a base minimum?!
Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes
Perhaps it is the lessons of high school... (no wait hear me out)

The cool kids control the universe and those not cool enough will accept & do all sorts of things to even be semi-adjacent to cool.

They will remain silent when the jock gives a nerd a swirlie, because
1 - thrilled its not happening to them
2 - still knowing next time it could be them
3 - protecting the jock from repercussions is a small price to pay for dry hair

See also: Ted Cruz

Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes @That_AC it’s worse than that. It’s privilege. Put people in a position of privilege and they have less empathy. Paul Piff has done some really interesting research on this.

So if the nerds have privilege they are just as bad (on average).

Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022

@denver @hacks4pancakes

Believing ones own hype, that they made it here ALL on their own so they deserve all of the accolades & benefits when often they did none of the work.

See also: Elon

Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022

@That_AC @hacks4pancakes yes that’s it exactly. Most people who clearly got lucky will ascribe it to skill, that they deserved more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk is the Paul Piff Ted talk that covers exactly this

Does money make you mean? | Paul Piff

YouTube
Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022
@denver @hacks4pancakes
ummm no its not.
Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022

@That_AC @hacks4pancakes haha ok that’s hilarious. YouTube shared the ad not the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk

Sorry!

Does money make you mean? | Paul Piff

YouTube
Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022
@denver @hacks4pancakes
Naughty naughty :)
Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes @That_AC I’ve fixed the original post now thanks to the magic ability to edit :)
Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022
@denver @hacks4pancakes
It's okay, I have forgive you for not having an adblocker ;)
Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022
@That_AC @hacks4pancakes well on desktop I do. I generally don’t use YouTube on mobile. Rookie mistake…
Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022

@denver @hacks4pancakes

What throws a wrench into this for me, is those people on the bottom who rail against higher taxes on the very wealthy, wealth they themselves will never obtain outside of powerball.

The belief (delusion) that they are temporarily inconvenienced billionaires so someday they might have to pay higher taxes.

Their towns water supply is killing them but in 15 yrs they don't want to pay more in taxes for their fortune so they vote against their own interests.

Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022

@That_AC @hacks4pancakes well that’s game theory. It’s the feudal system all over again. In a repeated game we should maximise shared gains. But if you can convince lots of people to lose you can win big!

There has been some interesting stuff on how minorities are more likely to support the status quo. It’s because a vulnerable group’s experience is that things can absolutely get worse.

Show threadThat Anonymous CowardNov 21, 2022
@denver @hacks4pancakes
And its not even just if they can win.
A study early in covid, my brain forgets details, showed that the reporting that black people were having worse outcomes from infection kept some whites smugly unvaccinated.
They didn't care if they got sick, only if they felt that someone could be worse off kept them feeling secure in their decision to cute off their nose to spite their face.
Humans are some messed up creatures.
Show threaddenver Nov 21, 2022

@hacks4pancakes @That_AC like the song says

You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself, just you
You and no one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourself

Show threadDave MerkelNov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes 100% this.
Show threadJonathan KatzNov 21, 2022
@hacks4pancakes OmG. Moving to the UK and working here compared to the US is night and day.
Show threadInterpipes 💙Nov 22, 2022
@hacks4pancakes the last time I suggested in a thread that perhaps "at will" wasn't generally in the interest of employees, at all, gosh, the replies
Show threadSofiaNov 22, 2022
@hacks4pancakes extra fun when people are so stressed out they start blaming each other for the work conditions. I reminded them we all in the trenches together.
Show threadd1d4c71cNov 22, 2022
@hacks4pancakes My late father (probably quoting someone) "The whip of captialism is this: work, or starve" What really brought it home for me though was realizing just what it means that employees are considered a cost, not an asset, in corporate accounting. When I got that through my head, well, let's just say that I will never believe any company actually cares about me, when the chips are down.
Show threadNick 'The Viking'Nov 22, 2022

@hacks4pancakes
At my last 'real' job, long long ago...

We were the entire engineering department, 3 of us plus our manager.
We had a small 4-cubicle office with a window, printer and such devices had one cubicle.
Our manager in the adjacent office with a window and small conference table.
We were responsible for designing and providing 90% of the hardware that was sold.

1/

Show threadIlthea Nov 22, 2022
@hacks4pancakes if it were only the US…