Michael KNov 21, 2022
Jay Kuo
Everyone is focused on who the Club Q killer in Colorado Springs is and what his motive was. Those aren’t the questions we should be asking. I explain why in today’s piece on stochastic terrorism and what should be doing about it.
https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/the-motive-behind-the-massacre-isnt?sd=pf
The Motive Behind the Massacre Isn’t the Right Question To Ask

It didn’t take long after the horrific shootings at Club Q in Colorado Springs before the media, politicians and the public focused on the motive of the killer. Was it a hate crime, or just some random attack? Papers were at pains to say that the club and the community deemed it a hate crime, even while withholding judgment and waiting for authorities to issue more information on the background of the murderer. Fox News, true to form, ran a

The Status Kuo
Nov 21, 2022 at 3:50pmWeb
Show threadStormcrowNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo We should be proactively punching nazis. Including the ones preaching hate & violence in maga churches.
Show threadLittleGoatGirlNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Excellent summation. Thank you
Show threadHugh PalmerNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Very good piece. Thank you for sharing this.
Show threadSamNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Well that he is the grandson of a former lunatic Trumper CA assemblyman who endorsed the events of 1/6 probably had something to do with it.
Show thread@[email protected]Nov 21, 2022

@jaykuo @georgetakei
as Mr Kuo states, "...view the attack... as the entirely forseeable and statistically predictable result of the hateful and dangerous rhetoric being spewed by politicians and right-wing pundits against the LGBTQ+ community."

especially since the shooter's Gpa is a MAGA politician.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-randy-voepel-colorado-suspect-grandfather-maga-republican-1761003

Who Is Randy Voepel? Colorado Suspect's Grandfather Is MAGA Republican

Randy Voepel drew condemnation in 2021 after he compared January 6 to the American Revolution.

Newsweek
Show threadhuman4humanityNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Motive is never the right question to ask. It doesn't matter. What matters, IMO, is that folks full of hatred for others can access firearms. One cannot prevent motive. What one can do is change society, but that is a slow process. In the meantime, we need to ensure that those people who are a danger to others cannot access firearms.
Show threadSue R from MANov 21, 2022
@jaykuo agree 100% We need to call out these politicians and talking heads at every turn. This includes allies, like myself, calling them on the hateful rhetoric. You can't call yourself an ally without speaking up.
Show threadLiberal Republican Party (🇺🇸)Nov 21, 2022

@jaykuo

The only reason I would be interested in the Motive is to determine if it was Domestic Terrorism or Domestic Violence. Both need to be dealt with if different ways. I have my strong views on how Domestic Terrorism should be punished based on not just the Terrorist but who knew what before the event happened too and determine possible charges against them as well.

Thoughts and Prayers don't cut it. It will require new Constitutional Gun Violence and Prevention laws.

#momsdemandaction

Show threadJim AshNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo I heard he was a known threat. Never should have had access to a gun.
Show threadgrouchyoldcootNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo thank you for teaching me the word for a process I could describe but could not name. Now I want a system where a randomly drawn sample of them get charged with murder.
Show threadAmol Nov 21, 2022
@jaykuo The US has provided arms to local terrorists to disrupt peace in most parts of the world. Experiencing the same turmoil now. That too because of their own people.
Show threadJanisNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Yes, we need to throw "stochastic" out as a descriptor, but there are plenty of pitfalls in entirely running with "predictable" as the new one. There's also some danger in putting all the blame on professional media--hate is propagated via social groups folks hang with regularly, specifically churches and online fora, and few of those members act out.
We should be where we can pinpoint this, agreed. We're not because "making America great" is primarily made of denial, lies, & bravado.
Show threadWoodchazNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Sounds like the makings of an Alex Jones style lawsuit. Billions from Fox News. Bring it on.
Show threadQEDNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Very powerful piece. Thank you.
Show threadJoshua SheppardNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo, I wholeheartedly agree. As a society, we are structured to reward the inflammatory rhetoric which drives these kinds of heinous attacks. Since the rise of social media there have been far fewer gatekeepers to information. This has resulted in a decentralization of ideas until we are left with the collective stream of consciousness we have now. People are pushing boundaries for likes with no thought of the consequences. Grow the followership at any costs. It is unconscionable.
Show threadBruceNov 21, 2022

@Jshep2is @jaykuo

I have mixed thoughts on this. I like the idea, but I don't see it as compatible with the US standard of guilt in a criminal court: "beyond the shadow of doubt." I also don't see 12 jurors commonly agreeing on guilt.

It might work in a civil court, but then you'd have to establish the % likelihood that any statement or group of statements led to a particular event, and that would be very difficult to agree on. In short, I don't see it as workable.

Show threadJoshua SheppardNov 21, 2022
@bruce @jaykuo I think that it is one of those things where government/law cannot evolve as quickly as the world does. In the end, we are left with either media platforms taking a stand, or society at large deeming something unacceptable. As for the media, at the end of the day, they are a business... when there is enough public furor, advertisers will balk, and media companies will change to protect their revenue. As for society at large, there isn't an easy answer... hate is a learned behavior
Show threadPaul PNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Yes, quite right. I winced when the News Commentariat this morning kept insisting that "why" is the key question. NO! The key question is: what better gun safety measures can Colorado and the nation adopt, to prevent loons and psychopaths from mowing down our people. (And of course the whole rest of the world has already figured this out.)
Show threadThe Big RNov 21, 2022

@jaykuo i think the right response is for common folk to call put such hate speech when it is seen on social media.

i dont think limiting free speech is the right thing todo. there is no way to make an objective filter to catch all “bad speech”, it would be by its nature subjective and that is not a good way to make choices.

Show threadKathy CarboneNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo YES YES & YES!!!!
Show threadKathy CarboneNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo https://apnews.com/article/ee6fe797a50cfca1bccfcc051c588187
Gay club shooting suspect evaded Colorado's red flag gun law

DENVER (AP) — A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering.

Associated Press
Show threadPontus RydinNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Yup. “Was the motive hate?” Is an incredibly stupid question to ask. Of course it was. I heard on the news last night that crime against LBGT+ has increased dramatically over the last 5 years. Geez, I wonder what that time period correlates with!
Show threadQueen CaffeineNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo significant piece! I’ve been doing some reading on this topic and am alarmed at how unstable our country has become these last few years. A breeding ground for this type of terrorism for sure.
Show threadRRTechNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo spot on
Show threadAmericanNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo I read your article on sub stack. If you started your premise with the simple ? what was the motive. You may have garnered a little more respect. As it is I believe it to be a trash article. Of course the motive is the driving force. If he was a homosexual /that was seeking revenge because his boyfriend broke up with him. That's a much different motive than a radical Christian trying to wipe the Earth of sinners. You can do better, the motive always leads to the real answers
Show threadStarry NightNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo guns + gop = mass shooter
Show threadJohn Caron (He, Him, His)Nov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Very well said.'
Show threadCorey LanierNov 21, 2022

@jaykuo excellent think piece, and I totally agree. Would it also be wise to go one step further and not even name the perpetrator or their motive in the media?

Elliot Rodger being named in his shooting gave his manifesto more publicity which directly incited Alek Minassian and the Toronto van attack. Feel like this reporting also causes copycats at best and at worst is a tacit form of stochastic terror.

Show threadKay L 🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🪬♻️Nov 21, 2022
@jaykuo good article. Thank you for sharing.
Show threadSteve FeltenNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Colorado Springs is ground zero for the Christo-fascist movement. Home of the Family Research Council, funded by De Vos, etc. James Dobson was calling for stochastic terrorism by his ‘Army of God’ for decades.
Show threadfak3rNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo this is an important read. Thank you
Show threadtetrophthalmusNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo excellent piece Jay, nail-on-head IMO. These people have weaponized the First Amendment to foment a revolution, blood and all, with a veneer of plausible deniability. Rome burns while we debate the morality of tolerating intolerance.
Show threadMaryPotNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo
Thank you for putting this clearly into words.
As for Muskville, leave it to them - it will be their new Truth Social. They can have it.
Show threadC FNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Just taught my high school students the term last week, “stochastic terrorism.” Sad times.
Show threadJudithNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo Your article is spot on. Well stated. Thank you.
Show threadRussell Darnley OAMNov 21, 2022
@jaykuo It’s both the underlying attack polemic and also the availability of fire arms
Show threadRobinNov 22, 2022
@jaykuo what I sensed, but didn't have a name for. Thanks
Show threadChillVetNov 22, 2022
@jaykuo richard m. fierro is a hero
Show threadBecky WernerNov 23, 2022
@jaykuo https://mindly.social/@BeckyWerner/109388538527743799
Becky Werner (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 video ~ KnotHead9620 From TikTok ~ He's an ELCA Lutheran Pastor and Also an Ally, Feminist and Anti-Racist Pastor ~ He Speaks To The Fundamentalists and Christian Clergy, Who Are Blasphemers and False Prophets ~ #LGBTQ

Mindly.Social
Show threadKPWCNov 23, 2022
@jaykuo This is such an insightful and helpful article to read. Thank you. I’m a reader in the UK but what your article articulates really resonates with me RE: Government policy and accompanying political discourse in UK about asylum seeking people (or “migrants”) and Trans and non-binary people. Solidarity.
Show threadOakwalkerNov 26, 2022
@jaykuo this is good.
Show threadPeggyJoan ☮️💙🌈🐶Nov 29, 2022
@jaykuo
A must-read! I had never heard of "stochastic terrorism".
"the entire LGBTQ+ community is reeling, afraid, and more isolated than before—exactly what the stoachatic terrorists wanted."