DiamondAngel
Scott ShapiroSo comical when people on Twitter saying “Don’t leave—We need to fight and win the war.” Dude, you’re just tweeting ffs.
Pwnallthethings@scottjshapiro Yup. You're "fighting" against someone who doesn't care what you think and literally earns money from you doing it. The winning move is to, well, move
Mark Squires 
@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro Indeed. They restored Project Veritas today. Twitter is on the way to becoming Truth Social. What is it "they" win if it no longer has credibility and the normals wind up elsewhere? The dust will need to settle, but I'm not into the chaos there. We've seen documentaries on how sites deliberately increase controversy and hate. And now Twitter has all guardrails removed. I'm done. I don't see the point. If I decide Mastodon isn't the answer, I still have options.
BigLAW@marksquires @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro who is ‘they’ do you not realize you ARE the issue with this thinking! THEY are humans and something is making YOU say things like this to divide more. Think!!
Fenton@marksquires @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
Having been banned from twitter ages ago (pre musk) for questioning the status quo. I am enjoying this immensely. 🤣 .
Having been banned from twitter ages ago (pre musk) for questioning the status quo. I am enjoying this immensely. 🤣 .
Jay Cheroske@marksquires @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro Mastodon is the answer. It still has some growing to do, but decentralized social media is the only social media compatible with our well-being. Give it time. I think it’s going to impress us all.
WndlB@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro (Something about ‘not fighting City Hall.’) I’m disengagING, not closing out. There are still things this isn’t as good at, in terms of immediacy, world-wide reach.
peaopoe@wndlb @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro Yes, I'm not going to delete my account altogether at this point, because for the moment, it's still a good place to follow breaking news. But I think that might be changing pretty quickly.
Mxhrad@robotkitty @wndlb @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro Yes, I miss certain accounts on #twitter, but for news, I could go directly to their websites. I refuse to help make money for a Nazi-lover.
@Mxhrad @wndlb @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro I'm getting there. I'm in the detox phase right now. It's been deleted from my phone, which was the biggest culprit.
@robotkitty @wndlb @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro Yeah. I deleted from my phone a long time ago, then stopped going to the site at all when Musk took over and with Trump back, I deleted my account this week.
Jeremy (יעקב) 🇺🇦@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
Right. I don't post on Parler because I don't want to post on a site that behaves like and caters to the people Parler was designed for.
The fact that Twitter now behaves like and caters to the people Parker was designed for is unchanged by the number of users.
Andrew Randall 🇺🇦@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro indeed, reminds me of the classic war games quote
GoldenGirlsRu@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro lot of lonely folks, they’re staying so as not to lose their connections. I left, one man does not get my worth, my time, etc.
Arakasi
MJam@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro This!! When I get told to "stay and debate the ideas" 🙄 ummm... these folks aren't interested in debate or conversation or nuanced thinking. They are interested in "owning the libs" and posting comments about crying more. So like, have fun I guess 🤷♀️
Paul Allen@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro "Get out of the relationship!" – Bill Burr.
David@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro But Elmo doesn’t make money from more users tweeting. Twitter makes money from advertisers, who are leaving Twitter because of the tweets. That’s his entire problem in a nutshell.
@david1 @scottjshapiro @Pwnallthethings He does make money from users tweeting because those are the numbers that determine the value of the advertising slots. The more activity on the site, the more valuable those slots become. Twitter is an engine that turns engagement into money. To them, any engagement is good, even if it's toxic and traumatizing. There is an inherent conflict of interest between the users and owners on that site. Contrast that with this network. Hate speech, useless trolling, toxic content, etc all costs the server operators money in increased storage, network, and CPU requirements. They are financially incentivized to eliminate all that nonsense.
Motorcitydave 
@david1 @Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro They DO make money from user data, which they sell to corporations. Every interaction (likes, follows, retweets), every location tracked, just adds to their warehouse of user data.
Unsocial Medium@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
I'm definitely not putting a lot of effort into my Twitter account now.
Just A Simple Spud@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
Some people just struggle finding the path to be happy. Once they find it, they struggle to change course . Twitter brought community to many, and many are angered by the path it now is.Their community is changing. But instead of changing their course, they pound their fists in the dirt trying to force the path to change. Hopefully they learn that different paths can still bring their community, their happiness. This spud has been happy here so far.
Jeff Craig@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
Yep, the only effective "fighting" that was done against Twitter's new management was whoever cost Twitter all that Eli Lilly ad revenue, and even then, how much was that just Eli Lilly looking for an excuse to cut ad spend?
Pekka Sipilä@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro I feel the only solution for the people who really want to stay on Twitter to "fight" would be to collectively buy it out from Musk. Other kind of protest there is merely superficial as it doesn't tackle the problem at heart which is autocracy.
Sidenote: What is your view on the independence of Mastodon? Can someone take over large parts of the contributed code and change licenses to include oppressive conditions? See case React for an example.
DanFell@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro I posted roughly the same thing last night. They don’t care about context or if you’re offended by their brick memes.
They cannot be enlightened, we cannot change their minds. Just GTFO
R0B0 G0D@DanFell
@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro
And being a digital space we have no option to hurt Nazi faces with clenched hand configurations moving at velocity either.
The only reason to linger there now is to ensure the people you love know how to leave and where to meet afterwards.
Phil Moore@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro I never liked Twitter that much to begin with. I used it to follow infosec and other interesting accounts, and also just the utter strangeness of the platform. But the ads and outrage and overall toxicity kept me from engaging. If all my infosec people move here where there’s no ads that is fine by me. Less noise, more signal.
Keith 🇺🇸🇪🇺🇮🇪🇺🇦@Pwnallthethings
@scottjshapiro
It's Post I'm worried about, not Twitter.
Someone needs to write something to convince people that with Post you are just trading Musk for some other soon-to-be billionaire owner. We have to build mastodon into something, not move to Post.
Austin Philp@Pwnallthethings @scottjshapiro I think there was a period where staying on was actively hurting twitter (namely during the glorious verified parodies period), but that time is well over with now. Anyone still posting is just helping Elon feel like the site is still alive
tom4okstate@scottjshapiro also, notably, I don't recall anyone saying that about Facebook, Snapchat, or parler or any of the host of other social media platforms that no one seems to give a s*** about in this moment. They're all pretty much disposable once they've outlived their usefulness.
@tom4okstate @scottjshapiro birdapp will outlive its usefulness at some point too. He’s making sure of it.
Jack Jackson@tom4okstate I think it's fair to say that users of Twitter developed more of a "sense of place" than any of those others - a feeling of a shared community, ethos, culture. Those things *are* exportable, but it's understandable to feel nostalgia for them and to want to preserve them in the "place" where they arose.
@scubbo That's probably a fair assessment. But I think like a lot of other dying public spaces in America, people will increasingly realize it's not coming back and at that point, fewer and fewer will hold out.
Goofrider@scottjshapiro peak clicktivist brain
Jay Arnold 
@scottjshapiro I saw the same tweet and wanted to say fight who? Over tweets?
Exiled New Yorker- Connie
Tracy Burkett
Ankur Pandya@scottjshapiro +1, never forget how stupid all of this is
Kevin Doran@scottjshapiro Don’t leave, we need to spend our unpaid time making sure this company becomes a financial success for the shitty billionaire who bought it on a whim.
Tom Bellin 
@scottjshapiro those are the people who were contributing to making the birdsite toxic. In time all that will be left over there are seven different groups of trolls all trying to "win the internet".
Mad Maxx: Twitterdome
F Lengyel@scottjshapiro Clicktivists.
kwh
HandInHand Homeschool@scottjshapiro If they want to fight a war and save humanity, just wear a damm mask and help stop covid.
TC Won't Give In To Lies@scottjshapiro
Yes, the “Twitter war” is sheer fantasy. It’s a virtual space and Musk can boost/hide anything he wants. He controls the algorithm.
Users simple must move our communities to safer ground.
Terje Fjelde@scottjshapiro After about 10 minutes on Mastodon I realized that whenever Twitter breaks down, it's eminently replaceable.
Space laser fella (Peter Hyde)@scottjshapiro I don't feel like I'm retreating, I feel like I'm cutting off the enemy's supply lines -- ad revenue.
@scottjshapiro leaving my account open, locked yet unsed. Won’t go on, it’s sitting there. No need to be there anymore. It’s nothing more than birdchan at this point.
whyJoe@Oviebird00 @scottjshapiro And really some of us left for our mental health, same reason I uninstalled Facebook. I opened Twitter for 10 min today and instantly let myself get drawn into a toxic argument over a very divisive topic around some deadly issues. My jaw clenched, I closed the app before I went further. It's designed to create those feelings and works too well on me.
@whyJoe @scottjshapiro haven’t been on Facebook in a very long time! Like almost a decade. Don’t and won’t go back, toxic there and Twitter is toxic.
@Oviebird00 @scottjshapiro So true. I had to leave bc I had joined all these groups and so much of it was arguments. And the local neighborhood stuff was so bad too. ... I still have my Facebook but I can only get into it from a phone I keep in a drawer LOL.
@whyJoe @scottjshapiro I don’t even do that:-) once I break from a site, I’m usually just done. BirdApp is almost there, got nothing left. Yeah know, except toxicity.
Gwildar of Gridlock@scottjshapiro I don’t get it either. Doing anything but leaving is supporting the new owner. It’s over.
Natalia army of one@scottjshapiro i don't felel it's about that! Most of the people on Twitter have only Twitter to socialize and they feel abandon and like they are giving the playground to the bullies. We are loosing by abdicating the place where we all met and organized. I understand where they come from. Elon however burn the playground down so... sad but no turning back.🍷💋😷
Courtney Heard 🇨🇦@scottjshapiro so many people said this to me! I thought I was in bizarro world!
@scottjshapiro I understand the initial, very human impulse to stay and try and save the space, but Elon came in with a fire thrower, and it is like trying to put out an inferno with a garden hose at this point. Time to pick up and build elsewhere.
Jon Webb@scottjshapiro Trump's restoration was the last straw for me. Until then I was having fun watching the unfolding disaster, like watching a chain-reaction highway crash (where no one can get hurt).
Baudi@scottjshapiro not to mention just being their is generating ad revenue, helping Musk bail water from his sinking ship.
Also, the political pundits on the right need outrage from the left to fight their culture war. Without the left’s engagement they’re just preaching to the choir like on Truth Social or Parler. They need the left. The left doesn’t need the right.
Also, the political pundits on the right need outrage from the left to fight their culture war. Without the left’s engagement they’re just preaching to the choir like on Truth Social or Parler. They need the left. The left doesn’t need the right.
RebYo@scottjshapiro make twitter parler again !!
Adara Astin@scottjshapiro When people use the language of heroism, or sacrifice, or suffering, in a way that's completely divorced from reality, I feel deeply uncomfortable. And suspicious.