David ChartierNov 9, 2022

Whoa whoa whoa...

Whoa.

You mean to tell me that #Mastodon has *zero* algorithms deciding what I should read, and that the vast majority of instances banish Nazis into their own shadowrealm instead of tolerating them in the name of EnGaGeMenT?

Hah! Next you'll tell me there are no advertisers wielding influence over feature design so they get more marketing eyeballs!

Wait, what??!

Show threadKodaNov 9, 2022
@chartier But if they don't build a model to help fund the expense of running servers, this will all got the way of IRC, Email, Newsgroups etc. Users must be the customer in order to prevent becoming the product.
Show threadHans GerwitzNov 10, 2022
@zaskoda @chartier yeah, it’s really a shame how no one uses email anymore 😉
Show threadKodaNov 10, 2022
@gerwitz @chartier okay, let's gets into that. Email is federated. Yet, most people use one of a few big providers who exploit user data to target ads. If you're not paying for the product, you will become the product. Running your own email server is prohibitively challenging, in part because of spam. And spam happens because sending email is free. Charge one tenth of a penny for an email and it would drastically reduce spam. But you want it all to be free.
Show threadDavid ChartierNov 10, 2022

@zaskoda @gerwitz Gotta disagree on the 'running your own server' point.

Running your own *physical* server, in your own garage? Sure, maybe. But I think it's easy to say most people wouldn't want to do that anyway. They'd go to a service provider like any of the zillions of web hosts and even dedicated email services we have, and those are all dirt cheap. No ads, pro-privacy, etc.

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Show threadKodaNov 10, 2022
@chartier @gerwitz I feel like you've never actually attempted to run your own mail server. Do it, show me. Move your email to a server you maintain yourself. If it's so easy breezy, it should be no big deal for you, yeah? We can talk later about everything that's going to go terribly wrong.
Show threadKoda
@chartier @gerwitz here's a slightly better overview of the challenge than I would be able to write up myself: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/why-you-may-not-want-to-run-your-own-mail-server
Why You May Not Want To Run Your Own Mail Server | DigitalOcean

When setting up a web site or application under your own domain, it is likely that you will also want a mail server to handle the domain’s incoming and outgo…

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