Mastodawn

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator Nov 8, 2022

PSA:

There's Politics happening a few places around the world right now.

Please, /please/, place all political posts behind a content warning. It's actually in our Code of Conduct as a strong suggestion, but if we see anyone posting heavy political content frequently and without a CW, we will 'limit' the account (at the very least) so that the post don't show up on the public timeline.

Be considerate of the mental health of your online neighbours.

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator

If you think it's wise/smart/cool/edgy to reply to this with 'all art is political', entirely refusing to recognise the point and spirit in which this post was made, I'll remove your ability to see all of the cute, astonishing, inspiring, whimsical, beautiful 'political' art from here.

Martin Leurs Nov 8, 2022

@Curator But what is "political" in the spirit, this post was made? Portraits of politicians? Caricature of politicians? Editorial Cartoons? Bold statements like in some print I saw on Insta with the text "women just want to have fun(damental rights)?"
A reminder to vote?

Who am I to judge, if something is hurting the mental health of my online naighbours? Should all the art disappear behind CWs?

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs
"Who am I to judge, if something is hurting the mental health of my online neighbours?"

Exactly this. You're not, so if you want to be safe and not judge people on the things that upset them, you put everything connected to politics behind a political content warning.

Martin Leurs Nov 8, 2022

@Curator That sounds like a good solution at first, but in the long run it would mean that there would be a warning on every picture. Food, politics, animals, insects, body, beauty, illness, death, family, violence, birth, baby, nudity, ...
And you would never know whether behind "violence" there is a huge slaughter or an image that has only remotely to do with violence.
Consequently, the ALT text would have to be displayed first and then everyone could make a conscious decision based on that.

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator Nov 8, 2022

"Food, politics, animals, insects, body, beauty, illness, death, family, violence, birth, baby, nudity,"

Extreme, but yep, now you're getting it. Food, politics, insects, nudity, illness, death, violence, are all things that we encourage users to CW.

"And you would never know"

That's why there's a text field to explain why something has a CW.

"Consequently, the ALT text" - no, the alt text is still attached to the image and hidden under the CW. The CW just gets an overview.

Maksym Hazevych

@Curator @MartinLeurs what's the problem with food?

@delight_aug a common issue with food is that it can be a really bad trigger for people with eating disorders. Images or mention of food or exercise can cause relapses etc. @Curator @MartinLeurs

Martin Leurs Nov 8, 2022

@delight_aug I don't know, perhaps someone with an eating disorder. I have seen these CWs on Twitter. And to be clear, I don't jugde someone who gets hurt by seeing food or someone eating, but I don't think, that a CW on every image is a good solition.

@MartinLeurs you got to understand that this instance have a culture where CWs are appreciated, but not forced upon. Some people CW a lot of stuff. Others dont. It is in the end up to your own intuition. But if you dont CW your posts you will get less reblogs and more people will simply just mute you so they dont have to see your posts with no CW on the local tl.

Mouthy Gurl Nov 8, 2022

@delight_aug @Curator @MartinLeurs some people have eating disorders or other issues that are food related. We don't force people to view our content, we invite them to decide if they want to engage. Clicking on the eye icon takes seconds, but being traumatised can take days to recover.

thurisaz Nov 8, 2022

@delight_aug @Curator @MartinLeurs Some people have eating disorders, so it's helpful to let them decide if they want to see food. And some people are struggling to feed themselves, so they might not want pictures of a luxury dish.

Elena ``of Valhalla''Nov 8, 2022

@delight_aug @MartinLeurs @Curator

seeing pictures of food can be distressing (or even just annoying) for e.g. people who are currently on a diet, fasting, or have eating disorders.

EdenDestroyer Nov 11, 2022

@delight_aug @Curator @MartinLeurs it may have to do with people suffering from food related disorders or some form of food art may be trigger-potential. Its okay to CW food as I'm likely to click on a CW if it is tagged food haha

Anke Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs @Curator You are not limited to writing one word (or one line) in the CW field. You can e.g. write "violence: gore and severed limbs"

Martin Leurs Nov 8, 2022

@Anke @Curator Yeah, or I write: A women gets hit by two men, you see no blood, but tears ...

Then I need a CW for my CW. I totally agree, that there is a place for CWs if you post something extreme, but I don't see a benefit of putting a CW on every image with a detailed description, what to expect.

Every piece of art may hurt somebody for very personal reasons and I think there is no way to prevent this except we don't post anything.

Anke Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs You are an eloquent adult, I'm sure you can come up with a balance of descriptive and vague enough to work with a few seconds' thought. If you're nervous, you can lurk a while and look at how other people post and you'll get a feel for it, I'm sure you can do it! :-)
@Curator

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator Nov 8, 2022

@Anke @MartinLeurs We're also patient here with people who are open to learning. If you content warn something (or don't) and someone asks you if you could please content warn it for (subject), it's fine to delete-and-re-draft to include that content warning. :)

Mouthy Gurl Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs @Anke @Curator then this isn't the place for you.

Ray B.Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs Either "CW: Domestic Abuse, Emotional Distress" or "CW: Assault, Emotional Distress" would work for what you've described. It's vague enough, but also pretty clear re: the contents. You don't have to go into detail with a content warning--the detail is for your alt text. I hope that helped?

opal hart Nov 9, 2022

@MartinLeurs if you ever disagree with mastodon.art's policies then there are other servers that are more lax about this stuff. in fact, the instance i'm on is soon gonna allow registrations by invite. but if you want, you can see whether you can get used to the rules there. nothing wrong with having choices

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Mouthy Gurl Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs @Curator yes that's exactly how that works. This way people can choose to engage not be forced to.

@MartinLeurs in the context of this post, it was some rando responding with “all art is politicial” as some sort of “gotcha” to a post by @Curator reminding people to CW during times when political events are occuring (like for example the current US mid term elections).

@home Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs @Curator
Content Notes are not meant to hide something. They serve the purpose of allowing people agency in choosing what to see. And anyone can set their client to show all posts regardless of CNs.

And I'd just use some common sense?

A portrait of Cleopatra probably does not need a content note, but one of a current controversial figure do.

Try to do a reasonable effort and make adjustments, when people say they would have liked a CW.

@home Nov 8, 2022

@MartinLeurs and you can always choose to use to provide the information, that something like "girls just wanna have fun(damental rights)" is uplifting, joking or positive; again giving people agency in choosing what they want to see.

@Curator Yeesh, sorry some folks are so determined to be right about stuff that they’ve forgotten how to be considerate and respectful about it too.