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KiwixThis is problematic.
Butcher@kiwix even moreso because Edge is chromium based too. The only major browsers, that aren't chromium based, are safari and firefox if I'm not mistaken.
WiredFire
triac8bit@kiwix Seems like I'm old-fashioned then for still using Firefox and Opera.
MinekPo1@kiwix opera still is based on chromium :/
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hexy@minekpo1 I miss the Presto days of Opera.
Leanne 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦@hexxyness @minekpo1 Used Opera in the mid to late '00s, it was a great browser then. Shame so many browsers are using Chrome/Chromium as a base these days.
@leanne_c Its a shame too, as opera has such a nice interface!
Stuart@triac8bit @kiwix Yep I'm an old fashioned FF user too. (although I do use Brave but only to access gmail and gmail only - that way it's contained)
root42@kiwix One of the problems is to have all your credentials to move around. Chrome is the smallest common denominator, it works on all big platforms. I use Safari on all my Apple devices, and very, very rarely Chrome on the Mac. But Chrome on work laptop (company mandated) as well as on RasPis (or Chromium for that matter). Having to use a THIRD browser which needs ANOTHER password locker is just a pain...
@root42 @kiwix Try Bit Warden as a password manager. Has great browser and Android and iOS integration. Plays nice with Chromium-based browsers and Firefox, Windows, Mac Linux. End to end encrypted, open source, and well trusted.
Far better than being "locked in" to a browser or platform's own password storage approach (which is often less strong).
@wiredfire @kiwix Thanks. I would actually love to see a rigorous analysis of e.g. Apple‘s and Google‘s password managers compared to others. Are there any papers out there?
@root42 @kiwix I'm not aware of papers directly comparing, but passwords stored in Chrome are trivial to crack:
https://ohyicong.medium.com/how-to-hack-chrome-password-with-python-1bedc167be3d
macOS Keychain on severak OS versions can be decrypted, wiht hashed passwords revealed that could be then run through a hash checker like John the Ripper
https://github.com/n0fate/chainbreaker
Bitwarden annually hires a 3rd party to conduct an independent security assessment of their product & makes the findings public. The last report from June 2021:
https://bitwarden.com/images/resources/Bitwarden-Security-Assessment-Report-2021.pdf
Player2alpha 🧑💻🧌@wiredfire I just gave the Bitwarden addon a try in Firefox and I must admit it's super easy to use.
I will definitely be using that from now on, rather than storing my passwords in Firefox directly.
Better late than never I suppose 😁
I will definitely be using that from now on, rather than storing my passwords in Firefox directly.
Better late than never I suppose 😁
@Player2alpha it's never too late to up your password management game! 😁 Thrilled to hear you're having a good time with it
CynicalAcerbic@root42 Streaming works best for me with Chrome, which is why I stick with it.
moji@root42 But... browsers are no password managers. 😉
snaums@kiwix Yes, it somewhat is. But the alternatives are folding (Opera is a chrome, edge is a chrome). And Firefox changes its UI every release to annoy as many regular users as possible. Unfortunately there is* no alternative anymore. People rely on a good, fast browser, that just stays working. It isn't helping, that some websites actively discourage the use of or deny Firefox certain aspects, see M$ teams for example.
*the only one screws itself over. Over and over again.
Sich fügen heißt lügen !@kiwix I still use Opera. Going offline is a challenging vision, but probably the best choice.
fault1er 🦥
@tocomplymeanstolie @kiwix I use Opera > 20 years and still love it, even though I was sad when they switched from presto to webkit/blink as rendering engine.
Neither do I in detail. But I felt an intimate connection with Presto 😅
in the end it is probably even good for the unified internet standards that so many browsers use the same engine.
Beko Pharm (deprecated)@kiwix who would have guessed that I'd ever be fond of my "browser wars" memories.
AlanMedlock@kiwix I wonder what proportion are using Brave?
CgX 
@kiwix Safari wins in Greenland \o/
Aral Balkan@kiwix It’s also capitalism working exactly as designed.
Eden
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I am not here, write email if need to
Jordan 🇺🇸 
Andre C.@kiwix What could possibly go wrong 🙄
Fabian Dellwing@kiwix I really dont understand why people went away from Firefox. I use it since the beginning of my online life and it never failed me.
@fdellwing @kiwix Performance, janky track-pad scrolling, quirky UI that changes too often..
I love Mozilla's ethics and ethos, but I keep trying to use Firefox and keep drifting back to something Chromium-based because the experience of browsing the web is just that little bit more smooth.
Also back when Chrome launched Firefox was king, but a sludgy and bloated king. We leap at a fresh, slick, browser & FF have been on the back foot ever since 😥
@wiredfire @kiwix I see:
- Performance is great
- I use M&KB only
- I use no UI, just shortcuts
So, it seems all to be a thing of habit?
@fdellwing @kiwix for a great many users habit will absolutely be a thing, humans are frustratingly resistant to change until something big pushes them (see Birdsite right now 😂).
For me it's less habit as I chop & change and try out browsers regularly. Performance isn't *bad* but Edge on Windows has it beaten (putting aside ethics for a moment).
Mind you, I might well drift back if I can get "fix" Firefox's weird scrolling 🤔
omanana
flesh roots 
🍕@fdellwing you've never been on a site that said "this only works in Chrome"?
Bill Hayes@kiwix And since Edge uses Chrome's rendering engine (and other browers such as Opera and Vivaldi) that's an awful lot of control Google has on how the web develops. Way more than back when they just had the most popular search engine and we thought they were taking over the world then.
Simon Kowalewski@kiwix Yes, those poor, poor people in Equatorial Guinea…
Anyarchiste (système)@kiwix Wait wait wait Firefox isn't anywhere the most popular anymore ? 😱
Sam 
QuasiMagia 🌀 マルコ@kiwix I hate chrome, I'm using it only for development, I prefer Firefox for daily use
Merijn 👨💻
@kiwix I've done my graduate thesis on social networks in 2008-2009. I looked into the most popular one per country every month, and it was unsettling to see Facebook take over country after country. This is not a good thing.
aitorpazos@kiwix @kev #googlechrome is the new IE6... More and more sites are made to work on Chrome only or on Chrome better 😢
Manuel 
@kiwix
Una vergogna ! Ma il problema non è solo da imputare all'utente ma alle aziende che senza motivo ti dicono di usare #chrome perché il loro sito è testato per quello. Ed ancora più vergognoso che limitano #firefox non per problemi reali di compatibilità ma solo perché leggono l'useragent, tantè che più volte cambiando l'useragent magicamente il sito funziona!!
Una vergogna ! Ma il problema non è solo da imputare all'utente ma alle aziende che senza motivo ti dicono di usare #chrome perché il loro sito è testato per quello. Ed ancora più vergognoso che limitano #firefox non per problemi reali di compatibilità ma solo perché leggono l'useragent, tantè che più volte cambiando l'useragent magicamente il sito funziona!!
JanGebauer@kiwix at lesbar IE is gone... That's a good point. What are the percentages 2021 and 2022 in Europe? Is it a landslide change as the colours suggests or only a very few percents, which just changes who is top...
@kiwix and by the way, I am using Vivaldi, but I guess it renders as Chrome... Is it really a problem having only one HTML engine 🤔 is the chromium engine nit open source...?
ちゅうちゅ 安藤@kiwix Android%
ArneBab@kiwix It is what happens when the developer of the largest platform gets to decide on the default browser.
IE as default in Windows was hit by antitrust. Not so Chrome in Android being pushed onto the whole world.
@ArneBab not to mention, y'know, Google, who owns the world's largest search engine...
Amveh@kiwix A unification isn't bad, it can be beneficial in so many ways. What worries me is Google's control over the Chromium project. But I believe that if Google were to abuse this in any way, governments would step in - just like they try to limit power of big social media sites today. I have not lost all hope yet.
grob (teeth era) 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Agent Joséphine Baker
NityaStriker@kiwix Is that 2nd map correct ? Isn’t Google banned in China ?
Θεία Πίτσα@kiwix no this is tragic. Yet another rinternet monopoly.
Nicd 
@kiwix I felt this was a problem too and went to Firefox… Came back to Vivaldi after a couple of years. Just too many small issues and missing things from Vivaldi. And the mobile Firefox was just way too slow in my experience.
I do miss container tabs though. That was a great extension.
Acesabe
Maxi 12x 💉@kiwix Chrome in China? I have some doubts.