censored for “transphobia”@dsfgs @mangeurdenuage Zoning (which is typical in the US) has turned out to be a really bad idea, which is part of the same problem. They force residents into a residential-only zone with no shops, then assume they can drive a car to reach shops. The first step is to reverse the zoning laws.
Localish to Boston / NYC@koherecoWatchdog @dsfgs @mangeurdenuage having a hard time figuring out which comments I'm replying to...do you have any suggestions? I'm liking our convo, but losing track
@localish @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs I use a text-based client (bitlbee-mastodon) instead of the conventional GUI website. The text client assigns a number to every msg and replies show an arrow. E.g. a msg begins with “[15→14] …” if it's assigned number 15 and it replies to msg 14. So I think it’s easier for me to see what msg replies to what than it is for web users.
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs prolly too technical for me, but thank you for sharing. i'll think about whether i can try
@localish @dsfgs @mangeurdenuage There may be other clients that handle the threading better, but indeed the one I mentioned is a nerd’s tool. It creates a gateway for IRC clients. So you’d install an IRC client, then install bitlbee & configure the IRC client to connect to bitlbee. But since mastodon is not included in bitlbee you then have to install a separate mastodon plugin for bitlbee.
@koherecoWatchdog @dsfgs @mangeurdenuage in other words, any fix for me has to be click-on-this existing-feature
@localish @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs One option might be to try https://pinafore.social/ That’s an alternate web-base client. When it asks for instance, enter “mastodon.social” since that’s your instance, then login. I’ve not used it in a long time so I don't know if it improves the threading but it’s worth a try.
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters> re thread management
Lookup "hellthread [mastodon,fediverse]". We've seen ppl using maybe an online viewer.
> housing
@localish Is completely right about housing being used for investment/speculation rather than housing, and that money is a driving problem.
When the so-called "#money" is not a store of value, everything else *becomes*/takes on a #StoreOfValue. Its one of the reasons we are supportive of bitcoin/monero.
What country are you in, localist?
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage
@localish @koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage
There's another client that allows your to browse without JavaScript, called #BloatFE (front end) using it requires some funky installation though. Not sure whether its point and click yet.
Try not to proxy your connection through a third-party website, if you can help it.
> planning
Its not just retail that needs better integration into #sprawling, westernStyle #megaCities, but #FarmingColleges and #TownSquares.
TownSquares terrify #corporatists.
@localish
Okay, do you have a problem with #propertySpruikers there? Property spruikers run events and seminars to indoctrinate kids into the property ponzi, and how they better buy/invest now before #populationGrowth causes housing to increase in prices.
In Australia they oft threaten kids by saying Australia is bringing in people from Asia to boost prices so if you don't get in now you will be left behind.
Our PrimeMinister was allegedly a 'spruiker'.
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage
@dsfgs @koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage OMG yes. Not only that. But the STATE is doing it. Lock step arm in arm with construction and NOW the libral elite Democrats [this is a whole treatise, let me know if you want me to get started on that] who are posing the whole scheme as the way to break the "redlining" that happened with zoning and mortgage companies. Holy shit on the Asian boosting home prices thing. i saw a documentary on that. Yikes. Bubble will burst.
@localish
Wow, they used people of Asian decent there too. We almost thought it would be localised and they would talk about wealthy Californians wanting a second summer home or some crap like that. They are inventive like that.
In Australia we have a seedy interestGroup called the #PropertyCouncil (non-govt #councils are suspicious) and they put out daily #pressReleases in local #MurdochRags to spruik the #realEstate market.
@localish @koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage
We have a "Property Council" #lobbyists in most, if not all states in Australia creating localised propaganda daily.
Builders and other businesses pay a yearly fee of several thousand dollars to the Property Council. The Property Council then donates to the two major parties.
Another way to describe all this is, #cronyism, corruption, pigs-at-a-trough, #circleJerk.
@dsfgs @koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage It was a documentary about China about how "housing" as become a trading commodity where there's 'value' only because peopel are trading them like stocks. but unless there's money coming in from actual rents, it's a bubble.
@localish
Yes, it was even a problem in China. Last year the planners there aparently acted to solve this and a big #builder, #EverGrand became insolvant and had to destory some sites under #construction and sell off a heap of assets. That saga is reportedly ongoing into this year.
They also reigned in their #techGiants last year, too.
Note that the West has not bothered to do any of this — because we are all ponzi. No productive industry beyond #military.
@dsfgs @koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage yes. there are over 60 empty housing units in the US for every homeless person. Not a problem that more quantity can solve. It's a pricing problem, not quantity problem.
@localish @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs Isn’t scarcity a pricing factor? Increasing the quantity (thus reduced scarcity) would then reduce the price that can be fetched, no?
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs
Yes, in a closed market. In a market where people aren't flooding in from outside, then more building will bring down prices. BUT in a high demand market, where people are flooding in, the prices keep going up. Did I post that video from the housing group in San Fran? they discovered "zoning relief" trickle down more-quantity didn't work. Hired an economist to explain. They learned free market never works. We have to provide housing for lowest income.
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs Here's the video, only 20 minutes. If you're going to talk about housing policy, please learn the basics. The idea of "build more and more and magically it'll fix itself" is an industry myth that people who learn by reading headlines fall for over and over again. PLEASE learn the hard basics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWRRKceJbo
Priced Out with Spanish Subtitles
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs Sorry if I'm being too bold/forceful about this...but I'm super hopiong to stop the promulgation of the "if we only can build more and more everythig will work out". It just doesn't work. I've been studyin gthese issues for years, in practice on the street and behind the table.
@koherecoWatchdog @mangeurdenuage @dsfgs ps...in the US there isn't scarcity. There's over 60 empty housing units for every homeless person. It's a pricing issue. A developer explained to us that developers will never build more than the market will bear. Why would they, he explained? these are our assets. We won't overbuild so that our assets reduce in value