Aral BalkanNew Firefox design: gorgeous, simple, I love it.
Mozilla getting roughly half-a-billion dollars from Google every year while purporting to fight the good fight on privacy and human rights: not gorgeous, hypocritical, I don’t love it.
LinuxNomad@aral
I think your arguments about mozilla are legit, makes sense and i agree.
On the other hand i think about people who care about privacy and people's rights (included me) and use hardware (smartphones, computers etc.) that are build by companies that intrude these rights or harm the environment dramatically.
Isn't this hypocrisy for us who care about these things? Is my toot written by a mobile which is built in a factory with "slavery" conditions for its workers?
I think your arguments about mozilla are legit, makes sense and i agree.
On the other hand i think about people who care about privacy and people's rights (included me) and use hardware (smartphones, computers etc.) that are build by companies that intrude these rights or harm the environment dramatically.
Isn't this hypocrisy for us who care about these things? Is my toot written by a mobile which is built in a factory with "slavery" conditions for its workers?
@LinuxNomad If all the sidewalks were made using slave labour we’d still have to use them to protest slavery. If someone tells you that if you don’t agree with how the sidewalks are built you should stay home, you know they’re just trying to shut you up. So will we build and use alternatives where we can? Yes. Will we use the existing infrastructure against the grain to effect positive change? Again, yes. What we won’t do is partner with or legitimise those who built those sidewalks in that way.
@aral
I agree, it's just that i could use the same arguments to support mozilla by thinking they fight for privacy from within the system of non-privacy by taking money from it and those who condemn them is for shutting this privacy option down.
Ofc though there are other alternatives which we should move forward to, more ethical and decentralized. I'm just thinking if we all stop supporting mozilla tomorrow would it be good for privacy "war" or is it useful in the spectrum?
I agree, it's just that i could use the same arguments to support mozilla by thinking they fight for privacy from within the system of non-privacy by taking money from it and those who condemn them is for shutting this privacy option down.
Ofc though there are other alternatives which we should move forward to, more ethical and decentralized. I'm just thinking if we all stop supporting mozilla tomorrow would it be good for privacy "war" or is it useful in the spectrum?
@LinuxNomad There’s a difference between using the sidewalks to protest and being paid a half a billion dollars by the people who made the sidewalks. What would you think of Greenpeace if you knew they owed their existence to half a billion dollars a year from ExxonMobil every year?
@aral Also sry for the spams..it's just my inner thought cause i care.
I believe all alternatives are good if they contribute to the evolution of something better for humanity. Ofc we must choose wisely..anyways..thanks for the efforts and the work you do with small tech foundation
I believe all alternatives are good if they contribute to the evolution of something better for humanity. Ofc we must choose wisely..anyways..thanks for the efforts and the work you do with small tech foundation
@LinuxNomad That’s the big if. If we cannot differentiate the doctors in the cigarette ads from actual doctors, we have a problem. If the people who caused the problem are peddling the solutions (and capturing the narrative around the solutions), we have a problem. If someone tells you they’re a pacifist and yet they get paid by the military, trust their salary, not their words.