Nyeogmiconsidering making a general rule of leaving any website that has a warning/strike system
or maybe sticking around but immediately giving up on the idea of mods ever getting anything done
Cay!@bat you're tellin' me!
@bat also their whole "don't hit back, just report it to the mods" policy is complete horseshit
@caymanwent weird on that: zythyx actually gave me explicit permission to dunk as long as my dunkpost isn't a TOS violation on racism etc
which i'm relieved about! (i outright asked and he said "yeah we have your back")
@bat funny because that user seems to be the one evangelizing the whole "report to the mods, so we can analyze and debate to conclude among us if this user is a fashy bad actor" shtick instead of doing something about it.
@caymanwent yeah i directly pmed them a request to change the strike system and they said they'd bring it up, i assume that went nowhere or they didn't
@caymanwent BTW: my opinions on strike systems -- i've exposited them many times on FLO, but here they are now for posterity
- mods love ticking boxes. ticking boxes makes you feel like you have a codified role and makes you highly visible.
- mods love modchat arguments. you get to hang with your bros and be parental and snippy about users.
- it turns out if you increase the number of boxes to check and procedural steps to complete, you can be even more visible and important.
- wheeee?
@bat huh, I see parallels here, especially in that second section.
@caymanwent i think a big part of the draw of strike systems is that once someone is known to be a problem person, you can spectate them and not feel guilty about it (because like, you'll ban them _eventually_ after a few more warnings and stuff)
btw other stuff: combvro implied in another thread that they see themselves as a junior mod (less seniority etc) which makes me think "oh ok the senior mods are putting off the idea that they're running the show"
@bat hmmmm! that sounds familiar.
@bat also the fact that I keep seeing staff in threads saying "we have POC on staff, so we must be doing something right!" while not actually addressing the issues because everything has to be a "system" really pisses me off.
@caymanwent yeah i'm bugged. it's good to have some people on staff who aren't white! every website should!
i think people who aren't white are apparently susceptible to the same wacko organizational problems people who are white are susceptible to -- i don't think this is myopia. they're definitely loudly expressing "we intended to do X, but a bureaucracy happened so we decided not to for a week instead."
@bat yeah that's my issue there (and here). They want to have an organized structure of bureaucracy and have their users all subscribe to it (under penalty of being warned for punching back) instead of solving the issue.
@bat every thread I see that's about "how conservative furs are a threat" gives me hope, and it's a shame that mods hop in with a tutting "now now, don't be mean to the people who disagree with you," deal.
@bat glad to see FLO mods still have no idea what they're doing.
noct@bat what happened now
@silvally someone reported one of the Xanadu ringleaders a week ago. mods banned them about five minutes after someone made an unrelated topic about how mods are slow to ban fash.
mods gave an accounting for how they spent the time which amounts to "we got a report a week ago, investigated it, then just kinda... sat on it."
@silvally mods also dove on the common "waste everyone's time" dodge of "well we have to get both sides of the story" and the confirmed fash user (literally screenshotted using racial slurs) accused some other onsite user of bad stuff, so they were like "well, time to investigate _that_"
⚪ Psy Chuan@bat god FLO is going to last all of two months isn't it
@PsyChuan i think they're going to get brigaded by the alts of right wingers and do basically nothing, then the old mods are going to buddy up to those guys and the site will die fast instead of slow
@bat that wouldn't surprise me in the least. the founding mods will, in that event, bring up the civility of the fash
@PsyChuan before Warren got banned he successfully petitioned site owner Venthas on Discord to have all his warnings deleted. afaik the process was basically he just asked and Venthas was like "oh yeah sure."
i assume another mod impulsively banned him in response to that.
@caymanwent @PsyChuan i think venthas is kinda oblivious, i haven't seen him do anything bad for any other reason.
but i certainly expect that story to happen again, numerous times.
fash can afford to be civil. letting a really pointless bureaucratic process get carried through is basically just another form of chaos and sends the message "the mods don't give a shit" which is half of what they want. (the other half is an ethnostate)
@caymanwent @PsyChuan i'm vaguely tempted to see if I can get them to make me a mod -- probably won't happen since i've been rude and stuff, but I'm more active than any of the mods are anyways, and at least then I would be able to complain about this stuff in a channel where they couldn't ignore me
@caymanwent @PsyChuan yeah so i dunno, i don't give the site my full-time attention? but i keep up to date on most of the threads that contain flamewarring, routinely peek at clubs where suspicious users are, and I take notes on who's watching who.
i kinda don't want to be shouted at by the general userbase but like i've been shouted at before.
i guess drawing fash attention on the internet as a whole doesn't seem like a great idea even though i _think_ nazifurs are pretty harmless?
@bat ehh do it if you want to. I sure wouldn't want to deal with their byzantine system of moderation any more than I have to when I use the site.
@caymanwent yeah i dunno, i might experiment with shouting at them a while longer. worst comes to worst, they either say no or they immediately de-mod me the first time i ignore bureaucracy, then i subtweet them about it and the quiet problem becomes a way louder problem
@bat if you want to take that psychic damage go for it, but I'm happy just yelling at the mods for both-sides-ing every controversy they have to deal with. I did get a mod to quit because I yelled at them for being passive aggressive towards me, so my duty is done.
@caymanwent oh, is that why stahz quit? i never got the full story even though i remember them doing that
@bat lol yeah, I demanded an apology from them so hard they quit