@milan Try it! #Matrix or better #Riot (riot.im) is really great and E2EE is now fully functional on all platforms! I really appreciate @hoergen for pointing me to it.

@richardbaeck @hoergen the problem - or one problem is that it doesn't make fun without gplay services...riot eats battery and mobile data :/

@milan @hoergen Yes, the client isn't #great in its current state. But I am confident that it will get far better this year as the project gets real traction. And I am convinced that #Riot will be an alternative to #WhatsApp for non-geeks/nerds by 2018.

@richardbaeck @hoergen the thing is that it is designed to use the google services for push and without it is ... well ... bad. :P
Well, jabber has also still potential to become the new/old/whatever whatsapp xD ...but matrix's name is more catchy ;)

@milan What's the matter with using google services for push?

Is #Jabber different from #XMPP ? Because XMPP has still the issue that both communication partners have to be online to receive the message. The server storage system of #Matrix is really #great.

@richardbaeck @milan
> Because XMPP has still the issue that both communication partners have to be online to receive the message.

With modern XMPP servers: no. https://gultsch.de/xmpp_2016.html ;)

@benediktg @milan Would you mind posting some server that support such feature? I've found jabber.otr.im but when I actually tried it out it didn't work. Wrong config? I used #Kopete and #Conversations.

@richardbaeck @milan Der von dir genannte Server unterstützt so gut wie keine speziellen XEPs: https://gultsch.de/compliance_ranked.html

Nimm z. B. trashserver.net, der hat alle wichtigen XEPs und word von @thomas betrieben und zur öffentlichen Benutzung bereitgestellt. ;)

@milan Ich sehe gerade, dass dein Server in der Compliance-Übersicht gar kein Stream Management hat. Wenn das so ist, dann ist es kein Wunder, dass du Probleme bei instabilen Verbindungen hast. Oder ist der Report im Repo nicht mehr aktuell?

Ich könnte dir auch anbieten, dass wir mal unsere Prosody-Konfigurationen vergleichen. :)