@milan Try it! #Matrix or better #Riot (riot.im) is really great and E2EE is now fully functional on all platforms! I really appreciate @hoergen for pointing me to it.

@richardbaeck @hoergen the problem - or one problem is that it doesn't make fun without gplay services...riot eats battery and mobile data :/

@milan @hoergen Yes, the client isn't #great in its current state. But I am confident that it will get far better this year as the project gets real traction. And I am convinced that #Riot will be an alternative to #WhatsApp for non-geeks/nerds by 2018.

@richardbaeck @hoergen the thing is that it is designed to use the google services for push and without it is ... well ... bad. :P
Well, jabber has also still potential to become the new/old/whatever whatsapp xD ...but matrix's name is more catchy ;)

@milan What's the matter with using google services for push?

Is #Jabber different from #XMPP ? Because XMPP has still the issue that both communication partners have to be online to receive the message. The server storage system of #Matrix is really #great.

@richardbaeck @milan
> Because XMPP has still the issue that both communication partners have to be online to receive the message.

With modern XMPP servers: no. https://gultsch.de/xmpp_2016.html ;)

@benediktg @milan Would you mind posting some server that support such feature? I've found jabber.otr.im but when I actually tried it out it didn't work. Wrong config? I used #Kopete and #Conversations.