VivekNov 16, 2019
@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The specific question i raised was were we liberals caught by surprise and shocked by his ascendancy or we were expecting it?
If we were shocked we should analyse where we went wrong. Were we complacent and condescending with the people who we now criticize and label as "bhakts"?
Anyway only navel gazing won't help. The idea is to find a solution and a voice.
Show threadTarique Sani Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT I personally was shocked and surprised. I always use to boast my India will not allow it. My friends from all religion are very secure and secular they will see through it and not support. All that has unfortunately been proven wrong. People I have known for half a century appear like strangers, nay zombies following some unresistable force. I can’t fathom what could I have done differently

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Show threadVivekNov 18, 2019

@tariquesani
So how are you dealing with it and what do you see is the way forward?

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Show threadTarique Sani Nov 18, 2019

@VivekT I don’t think I am dealing with it at all, other than just be stunned! At times doubting my own self...

What do you do when a childhood friend says your death could be an acceptable collateral damage? Or suddenly when my silence is the price asked for “inclusion”?

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Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@tariquesani Not to be facetious, but you tell them to please consider you dead to them and them to you and you cut the chord that binds... safer to stay sane and non threatened than to be told your loss is acceptable collateral damage; or that silence is the price you must pay.. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Show threadTarique Sani Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap
That in my book would be surrender. I am willing to accept what is but I am not willing to surrender. Also, pray where do I go?
These were more of brothers to me than my own brothers! My parents really “integrated” in the true ganga-jamuni sense. I can blame them?

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Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@tariquesani Have been where U r at; I considered being alive & able to protest/put fwd my view another day as a win. Emotions are currently hyper-charged; someone will have to take the step back... imho... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@tariquesani Sometimes a strategic retreat works wonders; allows you to calm down, think, re-devise and return stronger... understand you are feeling alienated... I am currently receiving similar vibes from some chuddy-buddies ...
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Show threadTarique Sani Nov 18, 2019

@KayKap
Well I intend to be there, in view, Stoic in my silence. I anyways rarely speak.

Let’s see how it pans out. Sooner or later somebody will come for them or their children too. Thanks for your concern though.

@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona

Show threadSalmanNov 18, 2019
@tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everything thats going to happen is already before us. The worst that could happen is a Hindu Rashtra. And Hindu Rashtra is more dangerous for Hindus than for Muslims. If your friends have become hateful, then just observe them closely. Because you may be having the best view of how people are being indoctrinated by hate.
Show threadVivekNov 18, 2019
@salm456 I am surprised why any of the intellectuals have not pointed out that "Hindu Rashtra" is an Oxymoron. A religion which believes that superiority or inferiority depends on the accident of birth can never unite its practitioners ultimately. Divide, subdivide and rule is its Mantra.
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Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@VivekT Thing is that Hinduism isn't truly a religion; it was initially a philosophy of sorts, a guide to a more spiritual journey (or so I was taught); and it was self-doable, meaning intermediaries were not required. That angered so-called middle fellas/is and they coined rites and rituals to reach God. And thence began the classes, the dos/don'ts; 2day notion of a Hindu Rashtra..
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Show threadVivekNov 18, 2019
@KayKap
That is what i believe too but the Sanatanis say the Vedas are here since the beginning and the Atharvashirsha which justifies casteism is from the Rg Veda. Then Hinduism was never egalitarian. Today this theory seems to be having the most adherents.
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Show threadMannyNov 18, 2019
@VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
The Rig Vedia itself mentions twice born. There are too many instances trash and extreme tribalism. e.g. checkout the Ashwamedh Yagna. Now that the DNA evidence has come that all these came from the pastorals who migrated from the steppes, it makes sense. There are many things common between the Zen Avesta & Rig Veda, except that Asuras & Deivas interchanged.
Show threadAmit Ramesan 🇮🇳Nov 18, 2019

Timeout!!

Can we please get back to discussing what we want to achieve in the next 5 years?

And how?

@cprogrammer @VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona

Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@AmitRamesan Devising was and means of unseating Modi and correcting the course of the country... @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona
Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
Muchos apologies *ways* not was @AmitRamesan @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona
Show threadVivekNov 18, 2019
@KayKap No need to apologise. I realized the typo only after you mentioned it.🙂
Show threadKirtiNov 18, 2019
@VivekT me being content writer/reviewer and all, no... ma brain calls me out if i don't correct...😂 🤣 Kya karen, kya na karen... yeh kaisi mushkil haye, koi to bata de iska hal ... 😆 😜
Show threadVivekNov 18, 2019
@KayKap haha yea I can see that content writer/reviewer surfacing now and then
Show threadKirti
@VivekT That poor content reviewer has been on the job today for the last 8 hours. The brain is now dead and fingers and eyes and brain coordination is totally off...
Nitey-nite fellow mastodians... c ya 2mrow... Stay safe, keep smiling, hold onto each other... 👋
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