Gilgwath

I love #Swiss #bureaucracy ... you can go to admin.ch and order a excerpt of your criminal record online using a #SuisseID (digital identity) and a credit card.

And then they tell you to kindly wait 6 hours for your order to be processed??? Are they printing it out and scanning it back in first?

#neuland #digitalisierung #cyber

Feb 20, 2019 at 9:27amWeb
Show threadMr. TeatimeFeb 20, 2019
@gilgwath
My guess: Fully automating the system means a data breach if anything goes wrong. So there's probably a human or several in the loop to doublecheck the request.
This means that someone who cracked the system won't be able to exploit it by requesting everyone's data.
I can understand they're careful with data as sensitive as this.
Show threadGilgwathFeb 21, 2019
@Mr_Teatime Probably true. if you put it this way it sounds more like "we don't trust ourselves to get it right the first time". And then, if they don't trust themselves to get something like this right, how on earth do they think they can get e-voting right?
Show threadMr. TeatimeFeb 21, 2019

@gilgwath
Well, there is no truly secure and failsafe online system. Any data that is accessible online through an automated system is liable to be accessed in a way you did not want, by people you didn't want to access it.
In any other place I know (admittedly not many), you may be able to order this online but it will arrive as letter, and for good reason.

...and I'm very skeptical whether e-voting can ever be done safely and securely:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI

Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile

Voting is centuries old, why can't we move with the times and use our phones, tablets and computers? Tom Scott lays out why e-voting is such a bad idea. More from Tom Scott: http://www.youtube.com/

Show threadGilgwathFeb 25, 2019

@Mr_Teatime Well, ok. I have to agree that there's always a possibility to break such a system. Not really consistent on my part to construct threat models against e-voting and centralized health data repositories and then get wound up because of a thing like this.

I agree, its not feasible. Even less so if it has to be cost effective. There are democracy theoretical problems with it as well. In case you are Swiss check this out: https://e-voting-moratorium.ch/ đŸ™‚

E-Voting-Moratorium │ Volksinitiative | FĂ¼r eine sichere und vertrauenswĂ¼rdige Demokratie

E-Voting-Moratorium │ Volksinitiative
Show threadMr. TeatimeFeb 25, 2019
@gilgwath I'm not Swiss but that seems like an eminently sensible initiative!
Even if E-voting could be made to work securely and reliably: If a non-expert cannot conclude that it works, it's still bad because you'll get people who won't believe the expert, and you won't be able to show them proof.
Even with current elections, proving to the population that they're done properly should be emphasized more, especially in the age of FUD and troll factories.