StrypeyDec 12, 2018
@z428 the question nobody promoting #XMPP apps seems to ask is, does it do anything users need? As I said, I've been using XMPP since it was still Jabber. I still install XMPP apps on my laptop from time to time, and I have Conversations on my mobile, it's a nice UI. But do I use them? Almost never.
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Show threadJC BrandDec 12, 2018

@strypey

That's a problem with you not having friends on XMPP, not with XMPP itself.

I have most of my family on XMPP (mostly due to my awesome wife getting them to switch) and then about 100 other contacts.

Show threadStrypeyDec 12, 2018
@jcbrand fair cop, but it's not for lack of trying. I had more interaction in my first year on the #Quitter-era #fediverse than I've ever managed to get on the XMPP-verse, despite more than a decade of encouraging people to use it.
Show threadJC BrandDec 12, 2018

@strypey

Back in the GTalk days, you could talk to your entire Google contacts list via federated XMPP.

So even back then I had way more contacts on XMPP than GNUSocial or Identica.

Google played a large role in killing off XMPP usage and the day they announced sunsetting GTalk was when I realized they're just another embrace-extend-extinguish monopolist.

Society needs self-hostable, scalable and functional alternatives to surveillance capitalist systems of manipulation and censorship.

Show threadDave "Skippy" CramptonDec 12, 2018
@jcbrand @strypey Is XMPP still a viable protocol for instant messaging?
Show threadStrypeyDec 13, 2018
@skipfordj @jcbrand is "instant messaging" still a viable #UX? I wrote on a whole series of posts on this on another fork of this thread. I've debated it at length before on th fediverse, and it always treads pretty much the same path. Probably needs a blog post so I can stop repeating myself ;-)
Show threadDave "Skippy" Crampton
@strypey @jcbrand In all honesty, I'm not worried about whether it's a viable #UX at large. I like it, I want to use it, so I'm working out how I can make that happen after GTalk/Hangouts/Whatever goes away.
Dec 14, 2018 at 1:05amWeb
Show threadStrypeyDec 14, 2018

@skipfordj @jcbrand
> after GTalk/Hangouts/Whatever goes away

I thought #GTalk was already dead, and that #Hangouts never supported #XMPP, because it's not compatible with what they wanted to do with #WebRTC. Was I wrong? In either case, yes, you can definitely carry on using XMPP withou gOgle. There's a list of suggested servers discussed here:
https://ecodigital.social/@adfeno/101232941345420566

Adonay Felipe Nogueira (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Thanks to the grouping XEP mentioned in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0387.html , the server list on https://jmp.chat/suggested_servers.html, and the compliance testers (either referenced in the last link or superior ones), people at least know which service providers are complying with XEP-0387. #XMPP

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