muesli

I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but there absolutely _needs_ to be a federated version of GitHub/GitLab.

Let me host my projects' critical infrastructure (issue tracker, PRs, private repos etc) on my own servers, while also being able to interact and socialize with the rest of the open source world.

I'll keep saying this until someone builds it - I would do it myself if I had enough time on my hands right now.

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Show threadLainy Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom i wish fossil was used more, which can do a lot of this.
Show threadJordanNov 13, 2018
@lain @fribbledom wait really, it federates?
Show threadLainy Nov 13, 2018
@mrhmouse @fribbledom well, git already 'federates', but fossil also contains bug tracking and a wiki
Show threadAearilNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom I think there has been some talks of Activity Pub integration over at gitlab. I don't how much progress they made since then.
Show threadRysiekúr (old account)Nov 13, 2018

@fribbledom that would be a killer feature. Also: https://github.com/forgefed/forgefed

Also also: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/4013

GitHub - forgefed/forgefed: ForgeFed - Federation Protocol for Forge Services

ForgeFed - Federation Protocol for Forge Services. Contribute to forgefed/forgefed development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub
Show threadThomas B. RückerNov 13, 2018
@rysiek @fribbledom
That ForgeFed thing seems to have fizzled, badly.
Their approach of a select few members mailing list with also rather weird handling of external input was quite offputting. Seems those are not the fedi-droids we're looking for.
Otherwise I agree, a federated project-infra system including DVCS is one of today's holy grails.
Show threadRysiekúr (old account)Nov 14, 2018
@tbr @fribbledom oh, interesting. Thanks for the info!
Show threadDes 🐈Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom GitLab IS self-hosted and open-source. It's not federated in the sense that you can link accounts across GitLab instances, but self-hosted is still definitely a thing.
Show threadmuesliNov 13, 2018
@deskitty Sure, and I'm running my own gitea and GitLab instances. But the federated issues and PRs are the criticial point I try to make.
Show threadMx. Autumn Goose 🍁Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom @deskitty if we could log in to one Gittea/GitLab instance from another that would probably solve a lot of the problems I have had with there being decentralised servers.
Show threadMx. Autumn Goose 🍁Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom @deskitty they both support oAuth, really it should be "relatively easy to achieve" https://xkcd.com/1425/
Tasks

xkcd
Show threadBerserk HippoNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom The idea being "make the code available, but keep the toxicity out?"
Show threadmuesliNov 13, 2018
@Berserkhippo That, and self-hosted independence.
Show threadaRkedos Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom
Isn't that already possible with Git, or am I missing something?
Show threadmuesliNov 13, 2018
@arkedos Git itself is decentral, yes. But the issue trackers, PRs, feeds and discussions aren't.
Show threadGeoff #PID<0.57.0>Nov 13, 2018

@fribbledom I haven't used it, but Gitea seems to fit some of that void.

I assume you've seen it, but I want people who may jump into this thread to know about it:
https://gitea.io

Gitea

Show threadmuesliNov 13, 2018
@cooler_ranch I'm running gitea myself. Love it, but unless I've missed some big announcement or release, it's not federated though.
Show threadGeoff #PID<0.57.0>Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom Understood. I don't think it's federated, but you would know better than I do 
Show threadRaccoon Willie Nov 13, 2018

@fribbledom lol, and let these independent hosts manage their own flavor of quality control, features, etc?

muesli, please... 👈😁🇺🇸

Show threadJoel D 🌲Nov 13, 2018

@fribbledom Fossil is a good candidate. It's federated (though it follows a somewhat different collaboration paradigm than git). It's written by the authors of SQLite and used for SQLite development. And stores all the info using SQLite!

A good summary: https://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki

Here's an example repo of mine: https://thelocalyarn.com/cgi-bin/yarncode/doc/trunk/repo-www/home.wiki

Fossil: Fossil Versus Git

Show threadMichael DalesNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom it'd also ideally pull any submodule dependancies to your local instance too, so if others go away your projects still live.
Show threadmuesliNov 13, 2018
@mdales That's actually a fantastic idea.
Show threadMichael DalesNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom I worry about this a lot. For any organisation with internal GitHub/gitlab I effectively manually do this to ensure I can build even if the network goes away.
Show threadeggyNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom https://drewdevault.com/2018/07/23/Git-is-already-distributed.html
Git is already federated & decentralized

Show threadAceNovo  Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom
Yes. Someone did this. I'll find it in a couple hours. Just need ☕ first
Show threadDavid ChartierNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom Building a federated GitHub sounds like something @Are0h might be into, or might know people who would be.
Show threadChristin WhiteNov 13, 2018
@chartier @fribbledom @Are0h I'd need to refresh my PHP knowledge but I'd be interested in helping.
Show threadAomine DicegameNov 13, 2018
@chartier @fribbledom I use Gitea currently and it's been really good. It might be worthwhile to take a look at that and make a fork that includes federation...
Show threadChristin WhiteNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom I never thought of that but hell yes!
Show threadmike sugarbakerNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom SSB’s Git layer is getting pretty good
Show threadMary Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom the last sentence is pretty much all of my ideas in a nutshell lol
Show threaddangerousbeansNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom git-ssb does this - works well
Show threadDJWalnutNov 13, 2018
@fribbledom well I do know that you can host your own gitlab instance, but that's not quite the same.
Show threadJason Robinson (inactive!)Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom @wakest there was some spec activity during the summer from a few different groups, but they died down 😞 would want this so bad as well. But no time to help.
Show thread💽 luka Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom git's model *is* decentralized by nature, so that doesn't sound like too much of a stretch
Show threadBen Lubar (any pronouns)Nov 13, 2018
@fribbledom I'd love to have Gitea be able to federate accounts.
Show threadPolly KraisusNov 13, 2018

@fribbledom There is a number of issues on Gitlab.com related to that. This one is fairly recent: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/issues/6468

... and this one lists quite a few related issues: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/4013

Federated GitLab (#6468) · Issues · GitLab.org / GitLab Enterprise Edition

### Problem to solve Teams want their own private instances of GitLab for various reasons, yet may need to interact with multiple private and public instances, including GitLab.com. ### Further...

Show threadjr0Nov 14, 2018

@fribbledom Interesting. How would such a thing look? I host my own git repos. I left github years ago after a ToC change I didn't like.

Hmmmm.

Show threadPrasenjeet DuttaNov 14, 2018
@fribbledom this was the idea behind SourceGear’s Veracity (Apache licensed, but not updated after 2013): http://veracity-scm.com/
Veracity - The Next Step in DVCS

Show threadkeithzgNov 14, 2018
@fribbledom It's kindof crazy that, in many ways, Git presaged this move to decentralization, and Git itself can be essentially treated as federted, but there's no successful federation system *around* Git. Although I suppose arguably the LKML, being e-mail, solved that problem for themselves ;)
Show threadAlexandre OlivaNov 14, 2018
git-ssb FTW
Show threadgrimmwa.reNov 14, 2018
@fribbledom https://sr.ht
sourcehut hub

Show thread inky (թանաքոտ)Nov 14, 2018
@fribbledom yes, I also expressed that desire many times.
Show threadBreakfastisready नाश्तातैयारहैNov 14, 2018
@fribbledom
Why is no one thinking about this? I would love to see this come into existence. It would be fantastic!
Show threadBreakfastisready नाश्तातैयारहैNov 14, 2018
@fribbledom
So actually a lot of people are thinking about this. I'll wait and watch.