@orionkidder this is rather what cyberpunk could have evolved into, but stopped because everyone got drunk on the aesthetic.

I want to step outside of the basement and show the world in the light of day, where people have lives and goals outside of "smashing the state", or "planning a run", and yet still use and shape the tech around them.

Look at the mood of the piece below, CC-BY-SA http://www.mikeliuzzi.com (the guy who decorated the #Noisebridge )

Mike Liuzzi – Motion Graphics / vfx / compositing

@orionkidder back to the topic:

I see several narratives / philosophies which evolved from #cyberpunk:

#postcyberpunk "yeah, we will be ruled by the corporations and the technology will be driven by the Progress, but we can still be the humans"

#SiliconValley: (and Bay Area) We are the Progress, There Is Only One Way - Our Way, Progress Is Unstoppable, To Oppose Us Is To Oppose The Future, We Have Things You Dont Know You Need, We Need Your Data To Cure Cancer

@orionkidder

#solarpunk is trying to find some footing there and I thing the first manifestos were perfect, putting the emphasis on the communities outside of the West, focusing the culture and technology on the people's needs. It started as a humanist movement.

Later it evolved into... some kind of aesthetic-obsessed genre, with a lot people worshipping the notion of being "green" and #burningman -like festivals

@orionkidder

The problem of " #solarpunk has no conflicts in its scope" is one of the most important. It should be FULL of conflicts, of new ways to solve them and organize to discuss them. It should be about very different communities with varied goals and ideas trying to find a common ground without forming a hierarchy.

Otherwise it's less than a fairy tale - those teach us something - it's a kitsch postcard with a badly photoshopped sunset.

@alxd @orionkidder #solarpunk is more than an utopian postcard when people act according to it. Lot's of this is happening around #ecoanarchist struggles like in #hambacherForst - very interesting to see people play around with DIY renewable energies, camp life, tree occupations, and communal living without hierarchies.
@b3yond @orionkidder I absolutely agree - that's why I would like more people to talk about _doing_ #solarpunk , especially outside of the West. A lot of communities already live by these values, but we don't hear about them.
@alxd @orionkidder I wonder if being hidden is preferable to being surveilled ;) but I'm definitely more #cyberpunk than #solarpunk :D The place at the sun is for people without paranoia

@alxd @b3yond @orionkidder

Perhaps the verb form could be captured to differentiate the aesthetic from the doing?

#solarpunking

@jjg @alxd @orionkidder or make aesthetics impossible without doing :D if you want to urban grow stuff, it needs to grow. If you want solar cell optics, they need to provide energy.