manuAug 7, 2018

I am interested in chaordic organizations. Organizations that exist at the edge of chaos and order, that are self-adaptive to change.

Dee Hock writes about this
https://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/ChaordicOrg.pdf

I designed a Berlin and San Francisco based program: the Collaboration Incubator. We are experimenting with building a chaordic network based on #socialtechnologies like #dragondreaming, #presencing and #commoning

#socialcoop folks, please join us.
www.collaborationincubator.net

Show threadRefurio AnachroAug 8, 2018

As entertaining as Dee Hock's paper is, it seems to contain next to no information. What else could I read?

Thanks for sharing, @Manuela

Show threadmanuAug 8, 2018
@RefurioAnachro @Manuela hi, what are you interested in concretely? Specific processes?
Show threadRefurio AnachroAug 8, 2018

@Manuela, I watched a bit of the interview you linked to indirectly:

"Michel Baumens on the Commons & on systemic, organisational, personal transformation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVgZczNFcpE

He has some interesting points, but the sheer scale of VISA suggests that these personal transformative concepts aren't quite up to something like this...

Michel Bauwens on the Commons & on systemic, organisational, personal transformation

YouTube
Show threadmanuAug 9, 2018
@RefurioAnachro thanks for digging into this! What I learned from dee hock is how important shared purpose is and that unleashing the purpose is a continuous process. I learned that an organization is an organism and that a rewarding and effective thing you can do to help it’s self-organizing is building trust among the people. The Collaboration Incubator tries to build on this. There are ways to unleash purpose and vision, to build trust, to collaborate better, we experiment with those.
Show threadRefurio AnachroAug 10, 2018
@Manuela, that being said, I do admire your engagement, and community building is important, but not as much of a challenge as doing things at large, or defending an organisation against exploitation.
Show threadmanuAug 12, 2018

@RefurioAnachro I try to understand your thinking. so you are looking for ways to scale: what? liberation? and what you understood so far, what I suggested to look at, is something that is focussed on personality cults and psychology? And you are looking more for: structures? I think what I posted helps building that.

The topic we are discussing is too complex to talk about on a general level. If we could use a very specific question or case, that could maybe lead to something more productive?

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@RefurioAnachro I think the beginning of our conversation was on how to practically build organizations that are chaordic=that don't i.e. have a leader or legal body in the center. to start the discussion on how to do that, I shared as an example Dragon Dreaming, one way to approach that. The patterns used in this framework can be scaled and help integrating both: innate human nature AND structures. it can include tech 100%. To explain that well, the PDF I sent might be insufficient...?
Aug 12, 2018 at 8:04amWeb
Show threadRefurio AnachroAug 12, 2018
@Manuela, I don't think we can have anything on a scale that matters without a legal body of kinds. We need to find something that works in spite of these gears the world is traditionally made of. We can't really go back to a natural state.
Show threadmanuAug 12, 2018
@RefurioAnachro @Manuela the networks and organizations I think of are working with legal bodies. It’s all working in the world today. It’s just the the legal bodies are not the organization, they just serve the organization. A practical example are open value networks like #sensorica http://www.sensorica.co - i am not promoting ignoring how we live today. solutions need work today especially also in the civilized world.
SENSORICA

SENSORICA: an open, decentralized and self-organizing value network, designing, producing, and distributing sensing and sensemaking solutions.