@scientificworld
Or, of course, we could figure out how to use that waste biomass to produce useful hydrocarbon materials that we currently get via oil wells.

Lubricants, adhesives, paints, engineering plastics, etc. all need carbon chains. Maybe carbon based material is too valuable to be burned as fuel?

#biomass #HANPP #chemistry

@nebulousmenace Methanol (Sabattier process) and analogues of petroleum-based hydrocarbons (via Fischer-Tropsh process, largely alkanes and alkenes) are similar in many regards. The latter however are complete drop-in replacements for petroleum fuels, being largely chemically similar (though probably with far fewer contaminants such as sulfer in bunker fuel and mercury in coal). You still have some emissions concerns: particulates, NOx (any atmospheric combustion or heating results in these), partual combustion, and carbon monoxide.

Alcohol by contrast would require substantial modifications to refining, distribution, storage, and ultimate utilisation (engines, motors, reactors, etc.) infrastructure, and separate development of those. In terms of approach paths, petrol-analogue synfuels seem a more tractable transition path, and the actual synthesis challenges are largely similar for both.

A key benefit of both methanol and hydrocarbon synfuels is that the requisite carbon may be sourced from environmental stores, most notably seawater. I'd read with much excitement some US Naval Research Lab papers that came out in the mid-2010s which turn out to have a ~80 year legacy going back to German and South African coal-to-oil conversion (both operated on an industrial scale), pilot projects in the US (which proved ... difficult), both dating to around WWII (Germany ran its project during the war, South Africa from the 1950s or 1960s to present AFAIK). And to proposals at the US energy labs dating to the 1960s for variously-powered (nuclear, renewable energy) synfuel projects and initiatives, as well as research at M.I.T.

Given applications where hydrocarbons are difficult to replace (marine, air, some rail, and remote/off-grid applications), I see some probably future development, and potentially in the 10--20% of present hydrocarbon usage. Also unlike virtually all other hydrocarbon analogues (mostly biofuels), this one pencils out as at least not obviously prohibitive in terms of resource utilisation required for even modest levels of replacement.

By contrast, a biofuel prospect described by Boeing as the best they'd seen would have required land area equivalent to much of the Western Plains states just to provide current aviation fuel requirements, again being a small fraction of total US hydrocarbon usage. #HANPP and the #PhytosyntheticCeiling, that is, how much total plant growth (and carbon fixation) there is on Earth, and how much of that is already claimed by humans, put some strong limits to any biofuel proposals. We can make biofuels, but either far less per capita than today's petroleum consumption, or for far fewer people. Neither prospect seems to be on mainstream planning trajectories. Though of course plans and reality are often at odds...

@ChrisMayLA6

fascinating - and ignoring everything we (should) have learned about #LandUseChange, #agriculture, #water, #NitrogenPollution, #ecosystems, #HANPP and how this relates to #ClimateChange, #insectapocalypse, #biodiversity, #OceanDeadZone . Oh yes, and the cost of food as food ag competes with fuel ag for product. But sure, let's call it #Sustainable. That's why we have #BrandMarketing specialists.

Airlines Race Toward a Future of Powering Their Jets With Corn https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/30/climate/airlines-jet-fuel-ethanol-corn.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Airlines Race Toward a Future Fueled By Corn

Carriers want to replace jet fuel with ethanol to fight global warming. That would require lots of corn, and lots of water.

The New York Times

The PR re Sustainable Aviation Fuel (#SAF) continues. And this article touches on some of them - such as is there enough waste cooking oil to support the need at today's demand for flying.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/26/can-uks-jet-zero-hopes-take-off-with-a-plane-fuelled-by-used-cooking-oil?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

But there is another demand issue: If we want to dramatically reduce fossil C extraction (esp oil), then we need substitute feedstocks to supply the feedstocks for critical chemical processes. Waste cooking oil and other food and organic waste may well be the best source - if we can convert it to SAF, we can convert it to useful chemicals that now come from oil. Yet there is not enough organic waste to support SAF demand, let alone for all the paints, lubricants, polymers, medicines, ... we rely on. (And if we continue to insist on wasting resources on single use plastics, such as PET food and beverage packaging, the problem is even worse)

#FalseClimateAction is a threat, and SAF is likely in that category as a long-term strategy.

#HANPP #Biofuel #FalseSolutions #biomass

Can UK’s ‘jet zero’ hopes take off with a plane fuelled by used cooking oil?

Experts debate whether Tuesday’s transatlantic trip heralds a greener way to fly or a misguided stunt

The Guardian
@Snoro Wonder why they haven't looked at that more densified, inert biomass as a useful material - possible examples as laminated sheets as an alternative to plywood, or as filler material in polymers - say biodegradable shoe sole materials. We have an immense need for materials that can displace petrochemical- based materials, and we really should think of how to use biomass (esp waste biomass) for that. I'm skeptical that we can sustainably develop purpose-grown crops at scale - HANPP and ecosystem impacts as primary concerns.
#HANPP (reference: https://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu/data/collection/hanpp) #waste #biomass #ClimateAction
Human Appropriation of Net Primary Productivity (HANPP) | SEDAC

@CelloMomOnCars @Streetsweeper @breadandcircuses and what we really need to start discussing is how we can provide for that "23% "Other" category" with minimal continued fossil C extraction.

Is there enough available biomass or will we devastate natural ecosystems if we say "oh, we can use nature based materials"?

Can we use CCSU strategies to process DAC captured CO2 to useful feedstock for that other?

Can we change our consumption of goods, and look at a closed loop system of reuse/recycle/ reprocess?

Who's working on this?

Needed #climateaction

#recycle #wastereduction #ZeroPollution #reduce_reuse_recycle #biomass #hanpp