@🔥Cassandra🔥 When I describe a meme-based image macro, it's rather concise. But I've got very good reasons to describe my original images at greater detail in alt-text and then once more at vastly greater detail in the post itself. It depends on what people may not know about the image but want to know.

I hope to limit my future alt-texts to a maximum of 512 characters, though. That's Misskey's limit, but Misskey currently has a bug which makes it delete longer alt-texts instead of truncating them.

That said, AI also hallucinates and guesses too much without actually knowing. This occurs the more, the more obscure the topic of an image is and the less the AI knows about it.

So if you want your image description to be accurate, you'll have to write it entirely yourself.

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@Justin Crozer @Stefan Bohacek @Lentävä Kalakukko @Roni Rolle Laukkarinen Whenever I see Mastodon users talk about "culture" in a Fediverse context, I have to wonder: What exactly do they refer to when they talk about "culture"?

Is it Fediverse culture? As in, overarching, software-independent Fediverse culture?

As in, taking into consideration that Fediverse server applications that aren't Mastodon, e.g. Misskey or Sharkey or Friendica or Hubzilla, have different cultures than Mastodon?

Recognising a post or a comment from one of these applications, acknowledging that it comes from a place with a different history, a different set of features and thus a different culture than Mastodon and refraining from enforcing Mastodon's unwritten rules against it?

Or does "culture" only refer to Mastodon's culture? Does it reject or completely disregard all cultures in the Fediverse that aren't Mastodon's and demand the whole Fediverse adopt Mastodon's culture and only Mastodon's culture?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who post more than 500 characters at once (which, by the way, is perfectly normal everywhere outside of Mastodon)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who reply to people who haven't mentioned them first, and whom they aren't mutually following either (which, by the way, is perfectly normal in large parts of the non-Mastodon Fediverse, too)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who quote-post Mastodon toots that must not be quote-posted (because they've had quote-posts for much longer than Mastodon, but without a no-quote flag so they can't see Mastodon's no-quote flag)?

Do these "bad eggs" incllude users who "misuse" Mastodon's CW field for summaries (because they have literally had the exact same text field as a summary field for seven years longer than Mastodon has had it as a CW field, and because having a summary field makes a whole lot of sense if your character limit is not 500, but over 16.7 million)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who use more than four hashtags in one post (because, unlike Mastodon, the places where they are have filtering as well as automatically having messages hidden behind CW buttons deeply engrained into their cultures, but this requires the appropriate keywords to be present)?

If so, then this explains why only Mastodon users can enjoy significant reach on Mastodon: Everyone else is mass-blocked for misbehaving by Mastodon's standards.

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@Anya Karl Und gleichzeitig sind gefühlt sämtliche Alt-Text-Aktivisten genervt davon, wenn man darüber reden will, wie Bilder beschrieben werden sollen. Also nicht ob (weil jemand keinen Bock hat, Bilder zu beschreiben), sondern wie (weil jemand die eigenen Bildbeschreibungen bis zum Gehtnichtmehr optimieren und perfektionieren will).

Es heißt immer: "Nicht drüber labern, einfach machen!"

Aber wie zum Geier soll ich wissen, daß meine Bildbeschreibungen etwas taugen, wenn nicht nur Blinde und Sehbehinderte, sondern ganz besonders und allzuvorderst die Alt-Text-Aktivisten sich strikt weigern, mir zu erklären, wie eine gute Bildbeschreibung auszusehen hat? Was da die Mindeststandards gemäß Mastodon-Kultur sind? Oder was ihre eigenen Mindeststandards sind?

Ich stecke nun wirklich sehr viel Arbeit und Mühe und Hirnschmalz und vor allem Zeit in jede meiner Bildbeschreibungen. Meine eigenen Bilder beschreibe ich sogar jeweils zweimal, im Alt-Text und dann noch einmal sehr viel detaillierter im Post selbst mit Erklärungen und sämtlichen Text-Transkripten. Ein einziges Bild kann mich Stunden oder Tage kosten, und das ist kein Witz.

Woher soll ich wissen, ob das, was ich da schreibe, ausreichend ist oder tatsächlich noch nicht ausreichend oder maßlos übertrieben, wenn ich weder Feedback erhalte noch irgendjemand mit mir darüber reden will?

Statt dessen werde ich sowohl geblockt, wenn meine Bildbeschreibungen nicht optimal sind (möglicherweise auch, weil meine Bildposts dazu neigen, einige zigtausend Zeichen länger zu sein als das per Mastodon-Kultur vorgegebene fediverseweite Limit von 500 Zeichen), als auch, wenn ich darüber reden will, wie ich es richtig machen soll.

Und trotzdem wird von mir erwartet, daß ich das weiß. Ohne mir eine Chance zu geben, das in Erfahrung zu bringen.

Das "einfach" in "einfach machen" ist Blödsinn, wenn über einem das Damoklesschwert der persönlichen Angriffe und des massiven Reichweitenverlusts schwebt, wenn man es falsch macht.

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@Arcadiagt5 One thing you should really avoid is line breaks in alt-text.

That's because alt-texts outside the Fediverse are always short and concise and not the extensive descriptions that are common on Mastodon. Hence, screen readers expect alt-texts to always be one paragraph each. Whenever there's a new paragraph, at least some of them think it's a new alt-text for a new image.

This is bad because screen readers tend to announce images and therefore start alt-texts by speaking, "Graphic" or something like that. But if your alt-text has multiple paragraphs, the screen reader will say, "Graphic," at the beginning of each paragraph.

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@Mark Whybird Sounds like @Mona app basically behaves like the Mastodon pre-4.4 Web interface; in fact, I think I've read somewhere that it's still partly stuck on a Mastodon 3 level.

One issue with this is that the Mastodon pre-4.4 Web interface didn't automatically blur images in posts that have CWs. Instead, when you have images in a CW'd post, Mastodon flags the images sensitive. Mastodon's Web interface blurs images that are flagged sensitive, and I guess so does Mona.

However, most of the rest of the Fediverse doesn't support this Mastodon-specific, non-standard sensitive flag for images. In CW'd image posts from somewhere else than Mastodon, the images will generally not be flagged sensitive, Mastodon won't blur them, and Mona probably won't either.

For example, here on Hubzilla, I could make people click up to four times before they see an image. First, if they have NSFW installed, they have to click an automatically generated content warning. Next, they have to click a summary plus Mastodon-style content warning. Then they have to click a spoiler tag that reveals the blanked-out image. Lastly, they have to click the image to unblank it.

Mastodon/Mona users, on the other hand, will see the very same image below the very same post immediately, un-CW'd, unblurred.

This is why I won't go back to posting images here on Hubzilla and stick to (streams) for that: (streams) can set the Mastodon-specific sensitive flag by adding one or two particular hashtags to a post. At least I hope it still does that.

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