@entwininglife @YusufToropov Perhaps not as much as you might hope. I see the issue as morally complex. I understand the average liberal's desire to avoid another trump presidency and consider it to be valid.

I also understand the average leftist's stance against genocide and consider it to be correct.

What I hate, more than anything else, is shallow analysis.

What this looks like from liberals is claims of some grand 4D chess game that Biden/<insert democrat here> is playing and how he has to support Israel/renege on student debt relief/capitulate to the Right because of some nebulous greater good that never seems to materialize.

From leftists, it's, "I oppose <obviously immoral thing the Democrats have done>. And I'm so morally pure that I will not go within a hundred miles of any candidate who does such things." All while ignoring the simple truth that <obviously immoral thing> will happen ten times as much if the Republicans take power. I am a socialist (and more) but I consider most online leftist politics to be about preening and posturing and not about positive social change.

For most leftists I've met - maybe not yourself but certainly the vast majority that I've encountered - opposition to Biden's support for Israel is not a principled stance against genocide. It is a post-hoc justification to do what they were already going to do anyway. They made up their minds years ago that they will never vote for a Democrat, and they will latch onto any excuse to justify that position.

Ideally, liberals and leftists would each recognize the other's valid concerns and work together to create a strategy that prevents a Republican presidency while simultaneously compelling the democrats to revise their policies. (Which can be done. The uncommitted vote in Michigan demonstrated as much).

But this will not happen. Because liberals are campists who will never criticize the Democrats or hold them to account no matter how low they sink. And leftists are more concerned with looking good than with doing good.

So, I leave you to the quagmire. You're welcome to unfollow me now. Or stick around if you prefer. I'm always happy to be proved wrong.