Ten years ago it wasn't so hard to create a political Internet movement all based on open and free software platforms. Now everyone can't keep their fingers off of the corporate cloud offerings, be it for communication, shared editing or conferencing. Why does humanity always have to go 3 steps forward, then 2 steps back? :( @aral :
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@Wessel_Dublin @aral I never said a political movement can afford to be inactive on Facebook. The question is if it attracts people *away* from Facebook or exposes even more people to manipulative dark advertising or dashboard hacks like in the 2009 Malvinas incident.
@Wessel_Dublin How do you attract people away? Instead of posting the interesting link to Facebook, you post it to your own forum — then post the forum link on Facebook. So if the people on Facebook want to comment on the article, they have a motivation to do so on the forum!
@Wessel_Dublin By 2011 there were 30'000 people in the German Pirates, the majority clearly not of a computing background. Not everyone figured out the wiki, but it wasn't too hard for them to use etherpads without the latest thrills and frills added by Google. So I support @aral anytime in his claim that this can be done without selling anyones souls to the surveillance economy.
So our work isn't done, but this deadline apparently isn't the threat to the future of DiEM as it first sounded to be…
In the meantime, Sergio has posted his proposal to the forum. I would want to discuss it, since it is 75% like what I would propose… but since the forum is not freely accessible, I guess somebody else from the DSC Berlin will publish our work on completion.
@Wessel_Dublin Sorry, google docs is another no-go zone for me… it's on the diem25.org/forum somewhere…
Nov 1st: A fateful vote for the future of DiEM? How we would like the CC to coordinate…
https://diem25-connect.eu/forum/d/23-nov-1st-a-fateful-vote-for-the-future-of-diem
@Wessel_Dublin Yes, I see some history potentially repeating…
Update: I have now been reported what @JudithMeyer posted to the DiEM25 Forum regarding the interpretation of the 'electoral wing' and it seems like no actually problematic decision is to be taken: whatever DiEM chooses, to remain a movement, to become a party, or to try and be both at the same time — all of these variants can be implemented with reasonable inner participation and justice – or not. @Wessel_Dublin
@aral I wished that was our problem, but I'm afraid the entire ruby-on-rails thing is too slow for a free website. As soon as you have half a cup of popularity you probably have to boost it with cloud technology. I recommend rewriting the website using more efficient tools, and — most of all — not reinvent voting systems… in particular do secret vote machines that aren't even legal in some EU countries.