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history and philosophy nerd. work in tech. sorta hate computers though. i'm also transfemme and probably nonbinary. recently 30.
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@Impossible_PhD first i've heard of eightpoint! i'm interested now.

i used to feel that speaking hard truths was virtuous, but over time i've played with not speaking negatively even when it feels true. i'm not strict about it, but in time i've come to acknowledge that my negativity was not inherent within the truth.

practicing something like this even inconsistently can put things into perspective and change who you are. it certainly has for me!

@bryankam i'm attracted to the idea that there's more of a linguistic explanation, or maybe a medium-determined explanation, but i do think there's something more substantial at work too. i'm definitely interested in Jaynes now

@bryankam for Seaford too, it's the spread of money across cultures in contact. The Origins of Philosophy in Ancient Greece and Ancient India as well as Money and the Early Greek Mind are on my reading list for this, but I've only heard interviews so far.

it also reminds me of Sahlin's New Science of the Enchanted Universe. for him, lots of people are still around with the earlier form of consciousness, characterized by immanence as opposed to transcendence

@bryankam i'm not familiar with Jaynes, but this passage reminds me of R. Seaford's argument that the "soul" developed in India and Greece, with Buddhism being a response to and/or rejection of that development and ancient Greek philosophy being an embrace of it.

are these competing approaches to understanding subjectivity? or maybe the soul comes after an earlier "layer" of subjectivity?