@scotty86 @oldperl @heiseonline Linux mobile ist von dem Treiber Problem aber mindestens genauso, eher noch stärker betroffen als AOSP forks.

@lproven bootc takes this even a step further by using the standardized OCI image format for it's images.

@lproven Furthermore with Ostree you can arbitrarely move between different images by using the rebase operation. As far as I'm aware you can even rebase from Silverblue to whatever ublue image and the other way around. Not sure if you can even move between atomic desktops and CoreOS though.

@lproven With SUSE's snapshots we either need to go from A2' back to A1 (if we haven't deleted it already) and then update to A2, or we uninstall the package using the package manager. But depending on the package manager installing and then uninstalling a package might not be guaranteed to lead to the same result as doing nothing. So by uninstalling the package we might actually create a new state A2'' != A2.

@lproven Let's say the OS starts in a state called A1. We now install a package and end up in a new state A1'. Then we update the OS and end up in A2'. Because with Ostree installing packages works by layering, we can now remove that layer again and thus move directly from A2' to A2.

@lproven Ostree is not just a virtual FS with snapshotting capabilities. Ostree is image based and kind of declarative. This is not the case for SUSE's snapshotting concept, as far as I'm aware. This allows Ostree to do things that you can't do merely by rolling back snapshots:

@momo @kuketzblog Deshalb plant GrapheneOS ja aktuell sich mit einem Hardware-Hersteller zusammen zu tun.

@momo @kuketzblog Ich habe gerade diesen Thread im GrapheneOS Forum zu dem Thema gefunden:
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/28683-the-future-sideloading

@momo @kuketzblog
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Nach meinem Verständnis dürfte das nur einen Einfluss auf das jeweils vorinstallierte Android Betriebssystem haben. Andere AOSP-basierte Betriebssysteme wie GrapheneOS oder LineageOS sollten davon nicht beeinflusst sein.

@grimm @defrostx Das sollte meiner Meinung nach illegal sein. Dass manche ISPs in 2026 ihren Kunden standardmäßig immer noch keine IPv6 geben finde ich nicht okay.