https://machs-europaeisch.eu/en/
check this out! Our petition is coming up soon. Disagree or agree? Let's discuss this. @Wessel_Dublin can we have a DiEM cafe on this maybe? <3
https://machs-europaeisch.eu/en/
check this out! Our petition is coming up soon. Disagree or agree? Let's discuss this. @Wessel_Dublin can we have a DiEM cafe on this maybe? <3
Dear all,
Unfortunately, the CC has decided not to put the "Yes, But" proposal forward as an option in the November 1 vote. I'm not aware of the reasons of this decision and hope clarifications will be provided soon. In any case, I would like to thank all the DiEM25 members who helped discussing this proposal and worked on it! It gave rise to a great exchange of ideas that I hope will be carried forward in the future.
Democratically yours,
Wessel
@aral Sorry, I didn't want to discredit the overall sentiment, just this specific argument. I haven't studied Assange's timeline and I also have my doubts with regards to his views and following. Only wanted to respond to the stated contradiction between the two statements.
I don't think it is futile to discuss this within DiEM, for I think many members share your reservations. However, people don't have the insights you have - so informed debate is needed.
@aral I get the argument you make, but I nonetheless disagree. I don't think these statements contradict one-another.
Core of the matter is "feminist by proclamation vs. by virtue/action". Assange criticises the first (by self-proclamation). In common words, people calling themselves something without anybody asking, to boost image, self-esteem, etc.
Varoufakis responds to a question (no "self-proclamation"), and, crucially, describes it as a disposition, or virtue, to act in a certain way.