Got it. Transphobia and racism are the same as memes about eating pineapple pizza. Might as well make a joke about how your pronouns are Real/Awesome and all the other stupid bullshit.

Well, at least this indicates that removing that text was not an accident or an oversight. And it is good to know where lemmy.world’s admins actually stand.

Fucking clown shoes…

The difference is that if a TOS needs to be changed to support shitty behavior, it changes. That is often a canary in the coal mine as it were and people STILL cite google removing “Do no evil” and so forth. Same with the Unity debacle where a few people noticed things had been rewritten… and nobody listened until it became a massive kerfluffle.

Because yes. Admins can do (and see) whatever they want. Welcome to message boards. And I do think having a written TOS is a good step forward (even if this TOS is probably objectively bad for a lot of reasons). It provides a contract of sorts.

But also: I would very much say that NOT providing provisions for discrimination based on ethnicity/sexuality/gender/religion/whatever is a pretty big red flag almost to the level of “I don’t see color”. Because yes, it is not in and of itself support for bigotry (even if many will view it as such). It is an indication of not understanding the problems that others are facing and not realizing how important it is to call that out.

A lot of it boils down to the idea behind what a translation actually means.

One school of thought is that you do word for word translations. So you get very strange sentence structures and direct translations of idioms. Think the idea of (apologies to the French, it has been over a decade since I tried to write or speak any of it) “Il est drole” being translated to “He is to be funny” rather than “He is funny”.

The other school of thought is that you care about the meaning of the text and not the word for word translation. So that involves a LOT of updating/adapting idioms but also names. Among the weeb crowd, people lose their god damned minds any time a character has their name changed. But you get into a mess where “Hikari” is not meant to be an “exotic” name and is really being used closer to “Fred”.

I remember way back in high school we specifically read a version of Beowulf to demonstrate this. It involved the “original” Old English, a direct translation that is somehow even harder to parse, and then a version written in modern english.

And that is the basic idea. It doesn’t matter if Basic is English, Chinese, Russian, or (most likely) a hybrid of them all: What matters is that the reader/viewer understands what is going on and can appreciate the references.

Another example that usually comes up is how the movie A Knight’s Tale is one of the most “historically accurate” adaptations ever. Because yes, we have crowds of peasants singing Queen songs and Nike swishes on armor. But… that is a lot closer to what tournaments and jousting were than people playing equally inaccurate classical music. And I’ve made similar arguments for the god awful Romeo+Juliet where Luigi and Leo wield “sword 9mm” pistols.

It doesn’t actually make sense given the setting.

The Belters were subjugated, but not isolated. This is shown with a lot of the “security forces” largely being Earth/Mars based but also just general trade. Much like with the very large physiological differences (mostly in the books and season 1 of the show), ~100 years (since the Epstein Drive was invented 129 years before the protomolecule) just isn’t really enough for that kind of divergence.

The “oriental fetishism” of Firefly/Serenity is a lot more likely… and that was a much larger period of time with even more isolation which is just funny.

Also, this ignores regular communication and media sharing between The Belt and The Inner Planets. Like, there have been some interesting studies that point out how pervasive “california english” is becoming because of “hollywood” (which films everything in Toronto). So even the Belters who more or less live in a mine their entire life would likely still watch documentaries from Oliver Queen’s baby mama and whoever Mars’s equivalent of Kim Kardashian is.

Nobody is saying transphobia specifically needs to be called out*.

It is more just actually calling out discrimination. I ANAL (and am not a lawyer) but general catch alls like “No discrimination based on the grounds of gender, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, age, or religion”

But also: When you are dealing with a TOS, you get a lawyer involved (which is another clear issue with this but…) rather than going by what some dude on the internet vaguely recalls of some documentation they read a few months back.

*: Although, there is an argument that hatred toward the trans community has reached the point that it is worth a call out

“I’m not insulting you specifically. I am just saying that I think all jewish people are secretly space aliens who eat children” and so forth. It is not bullying because it is not specifically targeting a user. There is no violation of privacy and they held short of talking about what they want to do to that ethnic group. And “harassment” is incredibly nebulous

In a good faith interaction: Common sense prevails and that is flagged under the spirit of the rule (even if I am not sure if I agree that IS against the spirit of it). But you specify stuff like this to remove any ambiguity. Largely for the same reasons you have a TOS/COC to begin with.

But also? The world is a really shitty place where the best you can generally hope for is that social media is only kind of racist and hateful (oh reddit) rather than being run by literal white supremacists. Text about discrimination goes a long way toward saying “Hey, we are at least trying”.

So is the thinking that a catch all 5.0.1 sufficient? Or will there be restoration of specific rules against discrimination based on ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc.

“Just trust me bro” is never a good model.

Because maybe the current admins are all great people who will do right. But we don’t know if all future admins will be. And if we get a “rules lawyer” coming down on a complaint that some community is being horrifically racist as “Well, it isn’t against the rules…”

But also? The world is an increasingly shitty place. Twitter is run by a straight up white supremacist. Having this kind of verbiage goes a long way toward indicating if a place can even possibly be a “safe space” as it were.

But also: If the idea is that we should just trust the admins: Why have any rules at all?

While I generally agree (and that applies to almost all “an LLM can’t do that” discussions):

Head counts are not going to remain the same. Well, it might in writing, but there is a reason the WGA went on strike.

If you can apply effective filters/transforms to a base texture, you can now do the same work that would have taken you weeks in a day or two. If you aren’t “wasting time” writing unit tests or making utility functions, you no longer need junior developers to punt the Charlie Work to. And so forth.

In some fields? Being able to do more with less means you do a LOT more.

But, generally speaking, that means you need fewer people and you pay fewer people.

This is one of many many reasons that we need to have been exploring UBI decades ago. Because we are increasingly going to see a decrease in employment as technology is more and more able to “get the job done”. And unlike with farm work and factory work… there isn’t really anything on the horizon for all the “creative” workers to do.