mrgah

wait: CC licenses expire after you die, right, so your work is just in the public domain? or do the stipulations of CC licenses persist after death? (if so, when do those expire? ever?)

this seems like it should be both obvious and an easy thing to nail down, but I'm having trouble finding any good discussion of the question... is there a #librarian here who could enlighten me?

Mar 12, 2018 at 11:34pmWeb
Show threadDoc Edward Morbius āŒā€‹Mar 12, 2018

@mrgah *Copyright* is not extinguished on death.

The license propogates both with the original work transfer, /and/ with the work's heir.

I think you're confusing the right to change the terms under which a copyright holder may issue *future* copies (this can change at any time, and is a right inherited by successors), and the terms of *previous* distributions (which generally cannot, see Estoppel and various related constructs).

Show threadmrgahMar 12, 2018

@dredmorbius

no, I know that part of copyright, I'm just unclear about where CC licenses fit in the scheme of things

so you're saying that, as granting certain rights _under_ copyright, CC licenses persist after death, but may be modified by a copyright holder's descendants?

Show threadAnnika BackstromMar 12, 2018
@mrgah That's a good question. Does copyright law take over where copyleft ends? I don't see any explicit mention of death in CC, so does the work become public domain 70 years after the author's death as with traditional copyright?
Show threadmrgahMar 12, 2018

@annika

CC themselves do say that CC licenses are a way to grant permissions under copyright: "Our tools give everyone from individual creators to large companies and institutions a simple, standardized way to grant copyright permissions to their creative work."

from what @dredmorbius was saying, it sounds like the heirs to someone who's released something under a CC license can then change the license (and maybe even revoke the CC license for future copies)

that seems... weird

Show threadSimbaMar 13, 2018
@mrgah What the hell is a CC license? A credit card? concealed carry? I'm assuming it's some third thing which isn't clear from the context of your post.
Show threadmrgahMar 13, 2018

@simba

oh, sorry-- creative commons

I posted that right before dinner, and it may have not been super clear

Show threadSimbaMar 13, 2018

@mrgah That's the same thing as public domain right?

I have some thoughts on the concept of intellectual property: http://tailpuff.net/intellectual-property-is-garbage

Intellectual Property is Garbage | tailpuff.net

"Intellectual Property" is bullshit. "Copyright" is bullshit. This article briefly explains why.

Show threaddogtraxMar 13, 2018
@mrgah Huh. I have no idea. Good question, though. Toot out what you find, won't you?
Show threadartsyhonker aka KathrynMar 20, 2018

@mrgah @clhendricksbc I'm not a librarian, but my understanding is that the stipulations continue until such time as your work enters the public domain (in the copyright laws of wherever).

If you have warning about dying you could change everything to CC-0, or I guess put such changes in your will.

Show threadChristina HendricksMar 21, 2018
@artsyhonker @mrgah Iā€™m not a librarian either but my sense is that since CC licenses are attached to copyright (one keeps copyright but provides a license that allows certain uses w/o asking direct permission) then the license continues as long as the copyright does. So I agree with artsyhonker here!