"You want to prevent white supremacist fascism from organizing hate crimes and infiltrating government positions? YOU'RE the REAL Nazi!"
-- so, so, so many fucking shitheads
I'm not sure how clueless one has to be to ignore the end game of actual white supremacists, but it's depressingly common.
> neither acronym is any less disingenuous
I disagree, but I consider all groups disingenuous to a degree.
> It is that entire paradigm that feeds idiots who want to be contrarian as fuck
I strongly disagree -- if being 'contrarian as fuck' is 'upholding things as they are', then I'm not seeing how the difference between upholding the status quo and improving the status quo isn't a relevant issue.
> chucklefuck hate speech apologists
Isn't this really just going to end up being another catch-all that ignores the distinction between SQWs (who aren't thinking about consequences) and FFNs (who are simply lying fascists)?
> You toss garbage in a bin, not ideas.
Allow me to synthesize: You toss garbage *ideas* into a metaphorical bin, don't you?
You're asking me to do precisely that with 'SQW', since it's 'unproductive' to you.
@sydneyfalk No, I think your "SQW" is more what I had in mind, not "FFN". Hopefully we can make a distinction between idiots and bad actors. Maybe I'm just allergic to acronyms?
I probably should avoid metaphors if I'm going to eschew acronyms. I was trying to make a point about sorting bins, not garbage bins. I'm not good at metaphors, at all.
I think that the whole SQW and SJW label is more productive to people who are just looking to argue.
I like acronyms because it reduces typing strain.
SQWs argue against progressive stuff reflexively, often because their own lives are Pretty Much Okay. Think South Park -- every episode (with I think a handful of exceptions) has the same moral: "Everybody stop caring so much, things will calm down, it's already okay, guys."
As for arguing -- I hope more arguing goes on, really. Complacency is how this mess got this bad, IMHO. :(
@sydneyfalk I'm sorry I initially phrased it the way I did. I have no right to tell you what to call a sandwich.
I'm just tired of watching people bandwagon to defend awful things and I wonder how it can be stopped. You're right about a lot of things as I can see it, and you make solid arguments for your thinking.
I want all arguments to reach a point of resolution where we can agree that we're all human.
> I want all arguments to reach a point of resolution where we can agree that we're all human.
I *want* that.
I do not think it's possible, any longer, if I'm painfully honest.
I think there's always going to be a subset of people who decide the wrong skin color is the problem, or the wrong language, religion, or culture.
The stupid ones are loud and very shortsighted. The smart ones become what I term FFNs, 'frozen fruit Nazis'.
The FFNs recognize elements of the status quo they can leverage to gain alliance with and support from SQWs -- people who have it good enough to be suckered into long-term destructive aims for short-term gains. Log Cabin Republicans, trans white supremacists, etc.
And then you have otherwise good people suckered into arguing for hate speech to have legal protections of the highest order -- like now.
I won't lie -- my view of humanity has always been pretty bleak, but it has become more so in the last year. I don't really think there's a 'bottom' to potential human vileness, not any more.
The reaction of a lot of complacent folks has restored some amount of faith in potential inherent benevolence in human beings, but -- my views are tainted by my experiences. This is unavoidable.
I wish I still thought it was possible that All The Hate Spreaders could somehow be shown the error of their ways, but I don't believe that any more.
I'm not sure anything could make me believe it, short of unicorns or magic suddenly changing their minds somehow.
There are, IMO, terrible people who know better and don't care. They want to destroy, because they'll gain. They want to eat the marginalized.
> I don't understand people anymore.
To be fair, I may have an advantage on this point, because I have never understood people, and I never believed I did -- only that I had degrees of understanding.
I think everything is degrees, TBQH -- and if one looks at things this way, sometimes these issues feel less staggering. The white supremacist cancer was always there, in confederate flags and Klan parades.
It's just growing.
> The banality of evil just keeps becoming more banal.
That's the normalization that SJW folk keep talking about, yes.
I actually had someone argue with me a while back that a news article that essentially was just pictures of Hitler picnicking with his wife and dogs, with I think two sentences to even mention the Holocaust, wasn't "normalizing", just "historical".
@sydneyfalk Right, like lighting up a cross and dancing around in sheets would be a "historical re-enactment" according to some awful people.
All that Civil War re-enactment stuff and the various organizations, United Daughters of the Confederacy, the statues of dead generals/slave owners, it's all there as a way to keep that shit alive.
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