Del

This is part of a response by one of the admins of the group I was targeting yesterday, that runs a magazine for artists, charges money for the magazine, and pays the staff, but doesn't pay the artists.

In their reply, which is trying to convince people that 'ad space' is 'monetary value' and equates to paying artists (in money they still can't use to buy food), they had this dig at me for using their Facebook group in a way they encouraged.

https://mastodon.social/media/BBrqQZz1t_W-McQx5hE

May 8, 2017 at 9:01amWeb
Show threadAn octopus that has movedMay 8, 2017
@WelshPixie Let's just take all the people who pay in "exposure" and put them in Antarctica, in winter, without a tent
Show threadINACTIVEMay 8, 2017
@WelshPixie That's fucked up. You can't take the moral high ground by exclaiming "But we let you post in this group, you got exposure, therefore your experience paid for itself."
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 8, 2017
@deadsuperhero @welshpixie  https://plateia.org/attachment/15965
Show threadDelMay 8, 2017
@maiyannah @deadsuperhero yap, linked that in my original discussion with them - that's when they started calling me rude 😂
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 8, 2017
@welshpixie @deadsuperhero I know, how rude of you to need things like food, and shelter!
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 8, 2017
@deadsuperhero @welshpixie Source in a second notice I guess since it posted the notice right after the image uploading without my intending it to: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/exposure
Show threadDelMay 8, 2017
@deadsuperhero yeah well, clearly logic has no place here :/
Show threadINACTIVEMay 8, 2017
@WelshPixie Eventually everyone will leave that community if the people running it keep it up.
Show threadDelMay 8, 2017
@deadsuperhero I'd like to think so, but the people defending my point of view were severely outnumbered by the people attacking me :(
Show threadBob MottramMay 8, 2017
@deadsuperhero @welshpixie ah the fetishizing of "experience" in lieu of payment.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 8, 2017
@bob @deadsuperhero @welshpixie They should be glad they get the "experience" of paying you! ;)
Show threadRysiekúr (old account)May 8, 2017
@maiyannah @WelshPixie @bob @deadsuperhero this seems relevant: http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html ;)
Show threadAntanicusMay 8, 2017
@WelshPixie this is most typical of the neoliberal approach to work: get all you can from people while giving them the least and blaming it on "bad times"
Show threadJames‽May 8, 2017
@WelshPixie If they're so confident in the value of these adverts they're giving away, why don't they just pay the artists, charge for the advertising, and let the artists decide whether that's how they want to spend their earnings. Their unwillingness to offer this choice suggests they don't trust that they'd be able to charge what they needed to maintain their current profits, and if not, what does that say about the actual value of the adverts?
Show threadDelMay 8, 2017
@PJM precisely.
Show threaddamonMay 8, 2017
@WelshPixie lol fuck em