@ladygaga although you've got #PizzaGate trending on #gnusocialde, please stop posting #SpiritCooking related images. Those are #AbsolutelyDisgusting.

For people who are interested in the child trafficking and pedophile Activities of the #DemocraticParty and #JohnPodesta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLNkIiyKuU
@richardbaeck pizzagate is a 4chan hoax you idiot
@ashoka Is there any evidence that it's actually hoax? The arguments for #PizzaGate are overwhelming.

I've seen one video of a guy who claims to has "debunked" PizzaGate just by saying it's a CIA setup. So basically he makes out of a conspiracy an even larger conspiracy to chill people down.
@richardbaeck the lack of evidence is the greatest sign, the fact that no victims or insiders are coming forward, which usually happens with these scandals. if you want a true pedophilia scandal to latch onto, try anonymous' #OpDeatheaters.
It's been debunked by Snopes, the NYT and the police.
first and loudest proponents are anti-dems, and it all started with a tweet from an alt-right account that got popular on 4chan.
@ashoka You mean this #NewYorkTimes article: https://gnusocial.de/url/3341933 ? It's a bunch of Non-arguments gathered with Alefantis' claims that he not a pedophile. I can't read any counter evidence any other than "he received many death threats, he must be a poor guy".
@richardbaeck excuse me, you must debunk all the debunkings not just one.
@ashoka I don't know the article of Snopes, but I would be happy if you post a link.

To the police statement: the head of the justice department is the main investor of those venues. So it might be a lie.
@richardbaeck "might" be, those are life-destroying accusations. give me stuff to chew on or begone. your teacher would laugh at these so-called arguments of your.
@ashoka I didn't state that I am right. I stated that the evidence for it are overwhelming (see Youtube videos). I welcome any statement that it clearly debunks the entire discussion about #PizzaGate other than "yea, he received death threats".

>life-destroying auccusations

Then in future we better never accuse anyone every again, because lifes might get destroyed!
@richardbaeck misrepresenting arguments gets you nowhere. youtube videos are not a reliable source, also, they are a secondary source. what are the sources of the makers of those videos?
where are the victims?
why wouldn't even conservative foxnews goafter it?
@ashoka >misrepresenting arguments gets you nowhere.
What do you mean?

Why aren't #Youtube videos reliable for you? The things stated in the video I've posted are sound to me.

>Where are the victims?
Killed and buried?

#FoxNews would kill itself if they go for it. There is not sufficient evidence to actually indict someone. Therefore everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorists and will cost them probably thousands of viewers. If that's not enough for you: why wasn't FoxNews totally on the #TrumpTrains too?

@richardbaeck interpreting "accusations of pedophilia are life destroying, so you better have good evidence" as "we should not accuse anybody ever".

i already said why i don't trust youtube videos.

lack of evidence and conspiracy theories have never stopped fox news.
so you admit there is not enough evidence?

"buried and killed" lel where? or did you just assume that? who was killed and buried, gimme names.

@ashoka That's not interpreting that's just my argument on it.

You stated that #Youtube videos have "no accountability,a hotbed of propaganda and biased editing". I don't disagree fully on that with you as I stated, the posted video looks sound to me.

Don't know if "lack of evidence and conspiracy theories have never stopped fox news" is true, I don't watch #FoxNews all the time.

>so you admit there is not enough evidence?
Of course! But I certainly think that the evidence, that is already there, is very interesting and upsetting.

>or did you just assume that?
Of course I assumed it. Otherwise there would have been an indictment, wouldn't it?

@richardbaeck yeah that's the problem, you are just assuming things.
I looked at part o the video.
what part of it was supposed to be convincing?
the symbols for pedophiles looking a bit like the logos of pizza laces that aren't even comet ping pong?
the girl lovers symbol doesn't even look like the pizza place symbol other than that both are hearts.

this is Illuminati Pyramids all over again.
this is poem interpretation level of "solid evidence"

this symbology crap is ridiculous.

@richardbaeck it encapsulates every problem with conspiracies, recognizing tiny patterns.
the bookstore is so ridiculous as well.
the symbol isn't even turning in the right direction.
also the ping pong pizza place logo doesn't even look like a butterfly, it's literally two bats crossed.
@ashoka The symbol claim for the ping pong place is really bad, that's true. But two places next to each other having such logos and actually change the logos AFTER #PizzaGate got trending. That's really suspicious. Why changing them? Why taking down the #Instagram images? If this all is such a conspiracy and none of it is true it wouldn't make sense to actually feed the fire by "admitting" that they did something wrong.

Again, I am not convinced that this is all true, but it seems that it might be.
@richardbaeck these images are causing the people a lot of trouble.
it is natural to take them down. no matter what you do in that situation, it will be outrageous to your accuserers.
keep em up and you are a bold monster.
take em down and you are trying to hide something.
@ashoka You can see it either way, but why putting them on in the first place? I totally agree that it's bad publicity. We will never know if it was admitting it or stopping it.
@richardbaeck "we can't know but there might be" is unacceptable for this exact reason. Real people are getting psychologically harmed this way.
it is absolutely irresponsible if one shares this.
it's put up or shut up.
@ashoka Last time I checked #freespeech was not limited in the US. So calling me irresponsible for sharing this is somehow inappropriate. I don't call people up to go there and shoot people. In fact I have already discouraged that. However looking into this story is perfectly fine.

I agree that those harassments are serious and should be prosecuted (don't know how the law in the US handles death threats). Therefore I hope that the guy who did the shooting will end up in jail and that those other ones who sent the death threats will be brought to justice too.

@richardbaeck this isn't a jab at you personally, but you at the group.
but you can only address it when you speak to every single one.
so don't take it personally, you are just one among many and I'd tell the same thing to everyone of them.

anybody reasonable can see pizzagate is bs, and those who spread it just in case are in fact firing up the crazies.

@ashoka Suggesting that I should control my speech for the sake of responsibility is somewhat limiting #freespeech. But that's a philosophical question. I get your point. I just have another view on it.

Therefore I really appreciate our conversation! Talking about it and "debunking" it or bringing up counter arguments (like you did) is quite good. I personally didn't know that people actually lied. Neither did I know that there was a shooting. So thanks for making up my mind!

@richardbaeck no. suggesting you might adjust your behaviour, that it would be ethical, is not limiting your speech.
here's actual impediment of freespeech:
- blocking your internet access
- shutting down your publication
- imprisonment
- blacklisting
- prohibiting you from saying something

not on the list:
- if you say that out loud, it'll cause a problem.

that would make any criticism an impediment.
that would shut down any criticism, cause impediments are bad.
that's a paradox.

@ashoka "ethical" depends on what ethical is. If I think that #PizzaGate might actually be real, not talking about it because it cause someone to shoot up a place is like Juncker saying "if the situation is stressful a politician has to lie".

So you can call me nihilist for that but I rather want information to be spread. If it is actually wrong information it can be corrected anytime. If it neither can be proven nor refuted it will at least draw people's attention to it and let them watch out if something like that really occurs.
@richardbaeck that attitude to reality is absolutely horrifying.
nothing can be truly proven or disproven, there is always room for doubt.
you want information spread but you can't tell me if it's true or not.
correcting your story later doesn't help the victims of the misconception.
people already pay attention, see operation deatheaters. that's an actual pedophilia-ring in politics that's being unearthed.
it has actual witnesses and shit.