Munin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017

Heh....y'know, it occurs to me - we're likely -not- to see some of the nastier irritants on mastodon compared to birdsite - there's no real impetus to add in click fraud for ad impressions, so that motivation for bot traffic is pretty much nonexistent.

And if follower count remains somewhat opaque between instances, ego-boosting via fake followers is not likely to happen either.

There's some rather interesting implications amongst all this, aren't there?

Show threadda_667✅Apr 8, 2017
@munin its quite refreshing, I think.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of Lore
@da_667 Oh aye. I'm enjoying myself over here thoroughly - barely touched birdsite this week. Haven't looked at it on mobile at all.
Apr 8, 2017 at 4:49amWeb
Show threadTechnogen 🚮🆗Apr 8, 2017
@munin @da_667 I still have a few people over there that I check in, but it's been so few check ins, I don't even have a tab open for it right now which I normally have open all the time. Feels both weird and nice.
Show threadda_667✅Apr 8, 2017
@Technogen @munin I have both tabs up, currently. Too many good contacts over there (tm). But I'm checking in on my phone less and less.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@da_667 @Technogen I leave a message now and then over there, but, at least for now, here's where I feel like sticking.
Show threadda_667✅Apr 8, 2017
@munin @Technogen it makes sense. your instance is yours and you control it. I like that. a lot.
Show threadda_667✅Apr 8, 2017
@Technogen @munin don't like ToS/CoC? Roll your own.
Show threaddadeApr 8, 2017
@da_667 @munin @Technogen Get banned for being a dick to users? Roll your own. Automagic federation. Dynamic ephemeral webscale shitposting instances in order to enhance the customer experience by facilitating authentic conversations.
Show threaddadeApr 8, 2017
@Technogen @munin @da_667 All I'm saying is that with spider-like powers comes great responsibility, unfortunately.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@dade @da_667 @Technogen I'm going to end up having to implement federative greylisting ain't I ;-)
Show threaddadeApr 8, 2017
@munin @da_667 @Technogen It's one of the most interesting things I see potentially facing this platform if it grows to be quite popular. It's a lot harder to stop abuse when anyone can jump in even after banned. It'd probably only take a weekend to have a docker image of this that anyone could quickly spin up whenever their instance gets banned.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017

@dade @da_667 @Technogen Well, yeah. Or even just for the purpose of temporary instances.

But hell, it's not that hard to build a greylisting schema....hell, just throwing foghorn onto the box and pushing its DNS through that would have the desired effect of countering fast-flux instance federation.

Show threaddadeApr 8, 2017
@munin @da_667 @Technogen See, after seeing that skytalk I knew you'd have a feasible blueteam solution :)
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@dade @da_667 @Technogen Well, yeah. I've been pondering the implications of temporary mastodon instances [on both sides] for days now - like, consider, spinning one up for protests or summat. Temporary C2 for managing protest ops; coordinating actions; avoiding kettling and the like.
Show threadda_667✅Apr 8, 2017
@munin @dade @Technogen theres some hubub over federation blacklisting right now. This seems like it would be a solution for federation /whitelisting/ in the future.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@da_667 @dade @Technogen Nowt wrong with that, eh?
Show threadGeorge Furbish❎Apr 8, 2017
@munin @da_667 @dade @Technogen It'd make things harder for small-fish latecomers.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@geofurb @da_667 @dade @Technogen For the first couple days while they build trust, yes.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017
@Technogen @da_667 @dade Or build a module into the thing to delay acceptance of follows, etc., from instances that haven't been up for long enough. Or any number of other ways.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreApr 8, 2017

@da_667 @Technogen Precisely.

And oddly enough, I've had several people explicitly say they'd rather have -me- administer an instance than anyone else. Kind of flattering that they have that kind of confidence in me :-)