One revolt kicked off because tax collectors were being creepy at the young women of the village.

I’m trying to think of similar things happening today. Anyone have ideas?

@akareilly
Hard agree

European is a tricky word, especially together with traditional. Depending on the century values would vary like dialects. There weren’t even national values before the 19th century at the earliest.

So traditional European values could also be universal human rights, democracy and ever deeper unity.

@akareilly I'd offer that the nobles PR firms trot out "xenophobia and patriarchy" as a distraction, because to blame the other is to redirect anger at their own situation.

Also: amazing this thread got so far without a single Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference.

@akareilly

Either that or periodic phased in militarization of absolutely everything.

i think "tradional european values" is used by bigots as an euphemism for conservative christianism, but loose enough to include the ancient philosophers. That expression always pisses me off, first cos Albania is very much in europe but not christian. And then cos the enlightenment is thanks to the arab philosophers who kept copies of the ancient texts that the europeans had burnt down during the middle ages.

@akareilly