God loves you unconditionally, under no conditions

Sure, He loves you so much that He must torture you for all eternity for not letting Him into your heart (or cursing His Magic Bird, of course, that goes without saying)*

*only applicable to Bible God, your God(s) may differ

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rejecting God until death.

Hell is just the abyss, non existence and we know VERY little about it, dantes inferno is a blatant fanfic

There is no god, no heaven, no devil, no hell, no angels, no demons.

Unless you think these gods are also real:

Achilles, Adapa, Aeneas, Allah, Ame-no-minaka-nushi, An, Anšar, Antu, Anubis, Anzû, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Areop-Enap, Ares, Artemis, Asag, Asclepius, Aššur, Athena, Atiya Kuru Shidaba, Atra-Hasīs, Atum, Âu Cơ, Awonawilona, Baal, Baldur, Bau, Beowulf, Bes, Buga, Bull of Heaven, Buninka, Cronus, Dangun, Dâyuni’sï, Demeter, Dionysus, Dumuzi, Enki, Enkidu, Enlil, Ereškigal, Esege Malan, Freya, Freyr, Gaia, Geb, Gichi-manidoo, Gilgameš, Grendel, Hades, Hathor, Hephaestus, Hera, Heracles, Hercules, Hermes, Hine-nui-te-pō, Horus, Hwanin, Hwanung, Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Käng, Kamui, Kāne, Khnum, Ki, Kišar, Kūkaʻilimoku, Kukulkan, Lạc Long Quân, Lahamu, Lahmu, Loki, Lono, Ma, Mahavira, Marduk, Montu, Nabû, Nammu, Nephthys, Nergal, Neti, Ninḫursaĝ, Ninlil, Ninurta, Nisroch, Nusku.

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There is no SCIENCE, no SCIENTIFIC METHOD,

unless you think these theories are also valid:

Flat Earth Theory, Fake Bird Drones Theory, Covid Bioweapon Theory,

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Yes, they are theories. They are also testable.

Your imaginary gods that don’t exist and have never shown even a neutrino’s worth of evidence.

Has any prayer ever regrown a severed fingertip? Ever?

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This is what amounts to a micdrop for you, is it? A link to one paragraph that provides no proof whatsoever, but instead claims said proof both exists and is beyond dismissal?

Pathetic.

How the Healing Was Confirmed

The diocesan tribunal investigated the case. The Vatican’s Congregation for the Causes of Saints reviewed the maternal-fetal medical records and comparative ultrasound imaging. Pope Francis approved the miracle decree in May 2020.

Understanding the Illness

Fetal hydrops (hydrops fetalis) is a severe condition in which abnormal amounts of fluid accumulate in the fetus’s tissues and organs—around the heart, lungs, abdomen, or under the skin. It is usually fatal, with survival rates under 10% even with intensive treatment. Spontaneous resolution in utero is medically unprecedented.

Full Narrative

Blessed Michael McGivney (1852–1890) founded the Knights of Columbus. In February 2015, Michelle Schachle’s unborn son was diagnosed with hydrops fetalis—a usually fatal accumulation of fluid in the fetus’s tissues and organs—plus Down syndrome. Doctors gave zero chance of survival and encouraged abortion. Daniel and Michelle Schachle refused and prayed to Fr. McGivney. Daniel promised to name the boy Michael if healed.

The documentation. The healing of fatal fetal hydrops in utero is supported by comparative pre- and post-healing ultrasound imaging and maternal-fetal medical records. The before-and-after imaging provides objective evidence that the condition—which is typically fatal—completely resolved without medical intervention. Mikey was born healthy and continues to thrive today.

Pope Francis approved the miracle in May 2020; McGivney was beatified October 31, 2020. The Knights of Columbus (kofc.org) and Catholic News Agency document the case.

Why It Matters

Fetal hydrops is typically fatal. The comparative pre- and post-healing ultrasound imaging provides objective, verifiable evidence. McGivney founded the Knights of Columbus—a major American Catholic organization. The case is exceptionally well-documented by modern maternal-fetal medicine standards.

blah blah blah no evidence actually provided blah blah blah trust me, bro!

I did read it initially - that’s how I know they didn’t provide any evidence. If they had it, they probably would have mentioned it.

Wow, so there’s no evidence! Isn’t that exactly what I just said?

If this was, you know, proof of a miracle… well, if it had been you, you’d probably consent to it’s release, wouldn’t you? I mean it would be a bit of a dick move to hide incontrovertible proof of a miracle and thereby the existance of god from the world, right?

Really weird how they apparently disagree with you.

there are thousands of documented miracles in the Catholic Church

let me give you another one

Marie Bailly, 23, was dying of acute tubercular peritonitis. Her father, mother, and one brother had all died of tuberculosis. Her abdomen was massively distended with hard tubercular masses and fluid. She was in a semi-coma with a racing pulse, blue complexion, and labored breathing.

Dr. Alexis Carrel — a brilliant, agnostic French surgeon — accompanied sick pilgrims on the “White Train” to Lourdes, partly out of scientific curiosity. He examined Bailly on the train and concluded she was near death.

The Witness

Carrel was standing over Bailly at the Grotto with his notebook. As water from the Lourdes spring was applied to her abdomen, he documented what happened minute by minute:

• At 2:40 PM, her labored breathing became regular
• Her racing pulse steadied
• The massive abdominal swelling began to visibly shrink
• By 3:00 PM — twenty minutes later — the blanket over her abdomen had gradually sunk as the distension completely disappeared
• Her blue cheeks turned rosy
• The hard tubercular masses were gone

Bailly said: “All right. I am not very energetic, but I feel that I am healed.” She ate dinner that evening and walked the next morning.

this one was verified by her agnostic doctor who won the nobel prize in medicine later

Nice so there’s medical records available for this one? Given it was in 1902 that seems unlikely they’d be very useful, but they are available right?

He is known for his leading role in implementing eugenic policies in Vichy France.

Man, I really sure do think we should be taking this guy at his word! He sounds like a great person and it’s not embarassing at all that you’re resorting to citing cases put forward by fucking nazi collaborators as real hard evidence!

On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.

• The Archbishop who ordered the investigation was Jorge Bergoglio — now Pope Francis
• Dr. Ricardo Castañón Gómez, a former atheist, coordinated the scientific analysis
• A tissue sample was sent to New York for blind testing
• The primary examiner was Dr. Frederick Zugibe, a secular forensicpathologistt and cardiologist at Columbia University
• He was not told where the sample came from or what it had been

The Witness

Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.

• He found intact, active white blood cells — cells that typically disintegrate within 15 minutes outside a living body
• Professor John Walker (University of Sydney) later confirmed intact white blood cells in the same tissue six years after the event
• The blood type was AB, matching the Lanciano relic and the Shroud of Turin

When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”

okay, heres another one

For living white blood cells to be present in heart muscle from a Host that had been in water for three years defies the known laws of biology. The tissue showed no decomposition. The sample was submitted blind to a secular forensic scientist who had no theological investment in the result.

The Skeptic’s Rebuttal

Skeptics raise two objections. First, they invoke Serratia marcescens — a common red-pigmented bacterium that thrives in damp environments like a wafer in water, and has been blamed for nearly every “bleeding host” in history. Second, they attack the chain of custody: the sample sat in a jar in Argentina for three years before being sent to New York. A skeptic will say: "I don’t doubt Dr. Zugibe analyzed human heart tissue. I doubt that the heart tissue was ever a piece of bread. Someone swapped it."

The Forensic Counter-Argument

The *Serratia* argument collapses under scrutiny. *Serratia marcescens* produces a surface-level red pigment on bread. It is a smear of bacteria. It does not produce organized, striated human myocardial tissue with identifiable actin, myosin, intercalated discs, and active immune cells.

nacn-usa.org/…/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and…

@IAMgROOT @Warl0k3
In my long experience encouraging and observing dialogue between Christians and atheists, I've reached the conclusion that both sides come to the table with completely contradictory worldviews.

Reconciliation is, therefore, virtually impossible. The most you can hope to accomplish is some degree of mutual understanding and appreciation for the simple fact of each other's essential humanity.

Good luck.

#Christianity #Atheism #religion #dialogue

@Warl0k3
No offense meant! LOL, the president of American Atheists called me an "Uncle Tom atheist" when we were on a panel together, years ago. I understand the appeal of convincing the opposition (on both sides), but in long years of watching these conversations I've NEVER seen anyone convince anyone else.

The most I've seen is for people to understand that the people on the other side are just that: people. I think that's a positive step.

Wait, Nick Fish? Comically in character if so.

I wholeheartedly agree with the overall futility of trying to change someone’s opinions thru internet bickering - so to be honest I’m not even trying, I’m just entertaining myself while wasting their time. They’re transparently not here in good faith (rimshot) so why even bother pretending like they are…

@Warl0k3
I know! Ironically some of the leaders of the convention we spoke at were harassing and molesting women at the con. Turned out that the rest of the con staff were covering it up.

Talk about Original Sin! 🤣