Mastodawn

RE: https://discuss.systems/@dev/116807460725864716

The whole presentation is worth the click-through:

1. Honestly, the metaphorically mangled goose slides in the post make more sense than a lot of the rest of the presentation — which is •really• saying something.

2. That deck is a magnificent example of why I don't like sharing slides as a means of sharing the content of a talk.

3. If we •do• attempt to infer the content from the presentation's sloptastic slides alone, it’s a remarkable window into the investor thinking that’s driving the AI bubble: “Exponential money is hiding just around the corner! Get in on the ground floor! Buy now! Buy now and rocket to infinity and beyond!!”

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

Investors with AI FOMO about other investors with AI FOMO about CEOs with AI FOMO about other AI CEOs with AI FOMO they contracted from their investors

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

Re this post:

Back in 2012, the Minnesota Orchestra musicians went on strike over a semi-secretive plan from the board to remake the orchestra (one of the best in the world) by slashing player salaries, gutting creative direction, and turning them into a sort of pop-lite-classical easy listening machine of some kind — details very fuzzy, rationale even fuzzier.

During the dispute, a slide deck of their shadowy plan leaked. It was somewhat garbled and confusing, and missing all the key details and analysis that everyone was dying for. “What are you hiding??” the public cried, “Show us the full plan!!” “What are you talking about? We did!” “No, not just the presentation! The actual plan!”

A confused period followed during which it became clear that the slide deck •was• the full plan.

This little gaggle of the Brightest Minds of Business moonlighting on a nonprofit board thought that gutting a local institution required so little thought that when people saw the full analysis, they assumed the board must be hiding something.

https://chaosfem.tw/@theogrin/116808542563847455

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] I have no clue who put this slideshow on a public-facing folder, but I really hope Softbank try to bury this. Please, please let them try. This needs so much more of the public eye. I want the public to see just what complete assholes are in charge of these big companies. (also softbank some philosophers would claim that the purpose of an egg is to eventually lay another egg but that's me being a pedant)

Chaosfem

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

(I am pleased to report, for those who don't know the story, that the MN Orch musician's union absolutely steamrolled that terrible board. Management locked them out for 15 months, during which time they staged multiple self-produced concerts without any help from the management they supposedly needed to function. The conductor who'd rocketed them to international fame resigned, and began conducting the locked-out orchestra's sold-out concerts. Eventually the board caved, tails between their legs. Many of them left, the tool of an orch president resigned, what remained of the board instated the musicians' preferred candidate as the new president, and the board got absolutely none of their precious Powerpoint plan except for a glammy new lobby. It was a rout. The orchestra is now doing better than ever — and the supposed imminent budget implosion that the old board had been raising hell about suddenly vanished along with them.)

@inthehands It always comes down to this: a bunch of fucking morons that just because they are in a board of directors think that the company works by itself. The moment the workforce disappears, OH, FUCKING SURPRISE, NOTHING GETS DONE. https://mstdn.social/@Illuminatus/116809615337079410

Ben Rosengart 2d ago

@inthehands Cool, let's do this again. Rinse and repeat until "allocating capital" is no more prestigious and remunerative than "teaching social studies".

@inthehands Same thing happened with the DNC Autopsy report.

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

Not dissimilar! Although in the DNC case I suspect that was the result of the powers that be •prohibiting• substantive analysis, whereas with the MN Orch it was the result of those powers not even knowing what a proper analysis would look like.

Donald Ball 2d ago

@inthehands @Poljack With the DNC, I strongly suspect both tbh.

Nantucket Lit 2d ago

It's like Apocalypse Now:

"Do you find my methods unsound?"

"I don't see any method at all, sir..."

sarcoptus scabium 2d ago

@inthehands sometimes the plan really is step one, step two, ????, profit.

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@thegarbagebird

All this time, the ??? was a goose but only Softbank knew

Arthur van der Harg 2d ago

@thegarbagebird @inthehands Goose steps, this time around.

chocobo13ζ 2d ago

@inthehands
Business executives planning like they're underpants gnomes

Hovav Shacham 2d ago

@inthehands Wow, you're not exaggerating!

https://songofthelarkblog.com/2013/09/05/unveiling-the-minnesota-orchestras-full-strategic-plan/

PS. It bears repeating that Emily Hogstad is a national treasure.

Unveiling The Minnesota Orchestra’s Full Strategic Plan

I’ve just had the most fabulous conversation with the MOA on Facebook! True, in order to get it started, the MOA needed a little nudging from David Assemany, from Save Our Symphony Detroit, b…

Song of the Lark

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

Correct and correct!

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊2d ago

Gentlemen, we CANNOT ALLOW a mineshaft gap!

@inthehands There's a Blur song in this...

@inthehands To be fair, this is the signal they consistently get out of the industry (chart from a DORA report).

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@marcink
Ah, yes, exponential curves, which are famously parabolic

I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!2d ago

@inthehands @marcink in fairness to them, most things that people call "exponential" _are_ at best parabolic.

Roy #EatTheRich Pardee 🇺🇸 ☘️2d ago

@inthehands Puts me in mind of the Dan Ariely quote about Big Data:

"Big Data is like teenage sex: everyone talks about it, nobody really knows how to do it, everyone thinks everyone else is doing it, so everyone claims they are doing it."

Paul Cantrell 1d ago

Great minds: https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/116488382767603080

Paul Cantrell (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] I still maintain that corporate management talking about AI productivity gains are like teenage boys talking about sex.

Hachyderm.io

Cheeseness 2d ago

@inthehands Remember when we learned to coexist with intelligent robots 16 years ago? Those were such young, innocent days

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

And we bring brain computer to life!

Cheeseness 2d ago

@inthehands Goose value!

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

In every goose, there is a factory!

Mensch, Marina 2d ago

@inthehands @Cheeseness It does explain a lot about the mess we're actually in. Unfortunately we chose an economic system, where such thinking sets the goals. Capitalism. It doesn't fit reality. And throws people and nature under the bus.

Mensch, Marina 2d ago

@inthehands @Cheeseness Btw, just read an article, that looks on the losses and failure using A.I. tools in production. Looks like those brain factories produce empty eggs 😲

Mensch, Marina 2d ago

RE: https://mastodon.social/@JulianOliver/116804873809268211

@inthehands @Cheeseness for more information, outlook and an interesting read, also this article "bovine manure" : https://troet.cafe/@JulianOliver@mastodon.social/116804873989036428

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@energisch_ @Cheeseness @JulianOliver

Paywalled, but interesting headline

Mensch, Marina 2d ago

@inthehands strange, it is without paywall here (Germany) @Cheeseness @JulianOliver

Mensch, Marina 2d ago

@inthehands it was also archived, hopefully this works for you https://archive.is/ff60l
@Cheeseness @JulianOliver

Julian Oliver 2d ago

@energisch_ @inthehands @Cheeseness Thanks, not paywalled for me either.

studio craque 54 🏳️‍🌈2d ago

@inthehands Have you ever read an Edward Tufte takedown of PowerPoint? It's marvelous.

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@dtauvdiodr
Oh, I’ve heard him give it in person. But even his example “chartjunk” back when I heard it could scarcely have imagined the generative eye-bleed glory of these slides

Bill, organizer of stuff 2d ago

@dtauvdiodr @inthehands He didn't even anticipate AI generated PowerPoint like this nonsense. Wow.

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊2d ago

I have no clue who put this slideshow on a public-facing folder, but I really hope Softbank try to bury this. Please, please let them try.

This needs so much more of the public eye. I want the public to see just what complete assholes are in charge of these big companies.

(also softbank some philosophers would claim that the purpose of an egg is to eventually lay another egg but that's me being a pedant)

I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!2d ago

@theogrin @inthehands No one at SoftBank has ever had the awareness to even recognize this as a thing that they might want to bury, let alone the wherewithal to do it.

Ben Ramsey 2d ago

@inthehands Joke’s on them. Eggs *do* lay eggs if you fertilize them. That leads to growth, which means more eggs that lay eggs.

Jenniferplusplus 2d ago

@inthehands Oh come on. They're describing labor.

Like, I know the whole premise is that AI turns capital into more capital without passing go and paying labor. And if that fails, it at least makes all labor rent the ability to do labor from capital. And if THAT fails, it at least shapes and filters all human communication.

But still. They're describing labor. The value factory is labor.

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@jenniferplusplus

But but Jennifer, see, if you stuff all the labor inside a goose, and then you own the goose, then you can own all the labor, so now you are Gooselord of the Golden Eggs! Why wouldn't you want that?!

Jenniferplusplus 2d ago

@inthehands how are we being ruled by these people

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@jenniferplusplus it's because the built the brain computer, it's in the slides

Paul Cantrell 2d ago

@jenniferplusplus
excuse me, because they brought the brain computer •to life•

Jens Finkhäuser 2d ago

@inthehands @jenniferplusplus

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊2d ago

@inthehands @jenniferplusplus

Pray don't forget that the goose potentially contains infinite quantities of both labour and resources and can therefore scale infinitely over time.

Jens Finkhäuser 2d ago

@theogrin @inthehands @jenniferplusplus Let's not forget that each of those golden eggs can spawn a goose laying more eggs 🤯

FoolishOwl 2d ago

@inthehands I can't get over how they're weirdly paraphrasing the labor theory of value, but not only do they avoid talking about actual human labor with the metaphor of the goose, they go on to say that the value is produced by *machinery* inside the goose.

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)2d ago

@inthehands @dev hahahahahahahahahahahaha 🤣🤣

/usr/local/goth @ home 2d ago

@inthehands the thing that gets me is the ASI acronym since to me that stands for American Swedish Institute