forestine2d ago

another take about the proliferation of ai music meaning that people need to "get out and see shows in real life" and these always upset me as an immunocompromised person

you can find non ai music online still. there are still lots of people doing it. try being more mindful about your listening and not listening to the spotify playlists that they fill with slop

support people on bandcamp and mirlo and bandwagon and subvert

check out live streamed music which is still happening for real. i know a place where you can check out hundreds of hours of modular synths

stop separating "real life" from "online" as if they are mutually exclusive, and make people like me feel like shit and like nothing they do counts. Every time i play a show i have to take a risk because nobody masks and they don't clean the air and a lot of my friends can't come and that fucking sucks

Shows are great. But not everyone can make it to shows. Not everyone lives somewhere there are shows. Not everyone is physically able to attend shows. Some people are high risk and have to take a risk every time.

This is a Yes, And situation. Be more mindful about music if you want to hear stuff that people made.

Show threadforestine2d ago
literally all the local musicians i'm friends with are reposting that fucking post and it's making me upset
Show threadforestine2d ago
if you've decided to quit all social media and go participate in "real life", are you taking any time to check on your disabled comrades ever again or are you expecting them to all quit and come out and play outside with you? because otherwise, you're just abandoning them.
Show threadforestine2d ago
i'm tired of being told everything i've been working on for the last six years isn't real because it's online
Show threadforestine2d ago
you're right, i forgot to eat lunch and now i'm getting upset about posts
Show threadforestine2d ago

it's just, this year i've played a show almost every month, *one show* and it's been just about more than i can handle because i am chronically ill. i have to take a risk every time. i need my partner to have the day off and help me or it becomes physically not possible to carry all my stuff and everything. and i am so fucking tired afterwards it takes me so long to recover. this is not going to be something i can do sustainably long term. and that's ONE SHOW in a month. and as an audience member it's also physically difficult for me to make it out to people's shows and i constantly feel guilty about it.

i have over 150 videos of livestreams i've done, online, free. i have more polished music on bandcamp, online. Earth Modular Society's new archive site has like 7000 streams by different people on it. Online.

And people are saying none of that counts and nobody's going to even care what i do unless i go in person and take a physical risk at some venue and it's only real if we're all breathing on each other

Show threadforestine
also, are we all just going to give up the whole entire internet because of some ai or are we going to fight back in any way?
Jun 24 at 10:21pmWeb
Show threadforestine2d ago
the "authentic experience" you're having in person does not negate someone else's authentic experience experiencing something in a way that is accessible to them
Show threadHawksquill2d ago

@forestine this pisses me off so much. I am occasionally involved with planning conferences and people are SO ready to drop virtual and hybrid options like a hot potato. COVID proved that remote options are not only doable but make professional spaces more accessible for disabled people, people with family care responsibilities, people without access to employer funding to attend conferences. Basically anyone who might be unwilling or unable to attend an in-person event for any reason. We got so much positive feedback from people who appreciated having online options, even if it wasn't fully equivalent to the in-person event. You can't attend every single event and session at an in-person conference anyway. A lot of people just appreciated having access to a lower registration rate.

And here we are only a few years later with virtual options getting chopped. It's like everyone was so eager to get back to "real life" after quarantine that they're offended when anyone mentions "going back to virtual." Like going back is negative, a regression. There are so many benefits to virtual: affordability (for both the hosting org and attendees), reduced climate impact, more permanently preserved resources due to the ease of recording digital presentations.

"It's just not the same!" they cry. And maybe it isn't, but does that mean it's worse? Does that mean we should deliberately make our events inaccessible, just because it won't be the same exact experience? Apparently yes.

Show threadforestine2d ago
@hawksquill apparently so! this does feel like a "support local business/music"-coded form of the same crap. and then it's like okay you want me to go to the thing, but you refuse to do anything to make it more possible for me to go to the thing. it's almost like you don't want me to be there...
Show threadHawksquill1d ago

@forestine yeah I think it's the same sense of moral judgement, like the virtual options are inferior to the "real thing." Like making a value judgment based on something that doesn't determine quality or authenticity at all.

Basically if disabled people need it, everyone needs to grumble about how inconvenient and bad it is. 🤔

Show threadWearyBonnie1d ago
@forestine
Yeessss to this entire thread. I'm having a freaking fantastic time building community on the internet and yes, there are problems and things should be improved but giving up - and telling others to give up - is hardly helpful?? Then there will just be the horrible corporate walled gardens and no one building any alternatives or pushing back 😒