Decided to check out the used records/CD store nearby (!) to break up my workday. Not sure how they still exist... they must own the building... Spent $7, and got two records (the Pete Seeger one was in their "free" pile... you could grab one of something off that pile if you were buying something). I can't imagine you could pay rent selling $7 to $20 LPs, CDs, and DVDs. #random #lofi #LPs #analog

Issues with records (good or bad, lol):

1. No shuffle play!
2. Can't set a playlist and walk away, you have to change the record.
3. No rewind to beginning of track.
4. Some old records skip
5. Not the medium for dusty or sunny environments
6. Not supporting terrible oligarchs and Joe Rogan with your streaming choices
7. No mid-record commercials interrupting your track ala YouTube
8. There is one order and one order only on listening, which is what is pressed into the vinyl
9. Medium and player is NOT SMALL
10. Can't play records in a moving vehicle
11. Need to think about what the next record you want to play is, otherwise you have a large gap in your music environment
12. Can't (easily) press your own records
13. No one tracking all your plays and clicks and ad preferences for future ingestion by the all knowing AI slop machine
14. No AI slop music
15. Very hard to give your friends a copy of a song.
16. Jogging with a record player in your pocket doesn't work.
17. Best way to stay on the cutting edge of the 1960's and 1970's emerging sound scene and "new" artists you have never heard of.
18. Fidelity is... interesting. It's like running all your digital tracks through a unique filter where the music is first pressed onto an obsolete medium, then read back through a vibrating needle on a rotating drum, which is subject to vibration by the music itself and occasional external influences, and then pushed through a speaker. THE VINYL FILTER
19. How the heck are the billionaires supposed to make money from people using old stuff? BUY NEW STUFF! BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY! ITS YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO CONSUME! /s
20. Finding records is somewhat difficult. Not a lot of sources. In this area, vast amounts of the types of records floating around most are terrible white suburban Time Life record compilations and religious music.
21. Prices for Vinyl in the LA area are very inflated, esp. in LA itself (trendy hipsters driving up the price, I think).
22. How is Jeff Bezos Supposed To Make Money If You Aren't Subscribed To Amazon Music? Huh?!
23. Who is this Englebert Humperdink guy, anyway, and why does everyone have his album? 🤪

(Anyway, enjoying this very much, lol)

#records #LPs

@ai6yr biggest problem for me:
- jacket of second hand records often mouldy
@coolandnormal Oooh, good to know that. I suppose there are sources for replacement inserts still, too.

@ai6yr

There is at least one place selling record sleeves for the most common records among other things. I found it a few years ago. I will see if I can find it...@coolandnormal

@ai6yr more relevant for some locations than others of course. I live in a place that floods.
@coolandnormal Ah, yes. The issue with buying anything paper from Hawaii... or Florida. The humidity.
@ai6yr Number 8 has been violated a few times.
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@fuzzface @ai6yr (my playing the Monty Python record with 3 sides) https://techhub.social/@giflian/112028209596169198
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@giflian @fuzzface @ai6yr I have that album. 😀❤️

And a friend had it when we were in high school, and had never realized there were three sides. Luck of the needle drop he never encountered the third one.

@fuzzface @ai6yr
10. Lawrence Welk shows off a Highway Hi-Fi system in his 1956 Chrysler convertible 🪗
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@msbellows @AccordionBruce @fuzzface @ai6yr

My uncle, who worked at Philips, had a 45 rpm player in his car. It worked pretty well as long as the road was reasonably smooth.

@msbellows @Anne_Delong @fuzzface @ai6yr
I hadn’t caught that the guy who invented the 33 1/3 LP led the 1st version and developed a separate 16 2/3 rpm record the same size as a 45 that would play an album’s worth of music

So basically a #vinyl CD player only for your car!

They didn’t work unless the suspension was tuned to ride smooth. A hard knock on tight shocks and it would skip. That killed it in the format wars

@AccordionBruce @fuzzface @ai6yr I’m glad someone mentioned this

@ai6yr

Well depends on what you mean by rewinding. You can see where the song starts based on the smooth ring from the soundless space between songs.
You can just lift the needle arm and move it to the start of the song.

I think this is why ppl often had the turntable right next to the best chair in the house, so someone could curate the listening experience.

@MCDuncanLab LOL apparently aiming the needle at the groove is an acquired skill, requiring fine motor skills and reading glasses. 🤪

@ai6yr

Yeah the last time I did it I was in my teens. I had a turntable in my bedroom in high school. Got my first cd player sophomore year of college. Kept that one until I moved to Michigan.

@MCDuncanLab @ai6yr

I resisted buying cds for years as I was sure it was a passing fad. 🤪

@pattykimura @ai6yr

My husband and I have had the same CD in the car since 2010.

Some Dylan album my husband loves.

No, we don’t drive much. But hubs still listens to it every time he drives solo.

@ai6yr @MCDuncanLab
A lot of hit singles are the first or last tracks on LP sides to make them more attractive to DJ’s because of this

Also, the different areas of the record have different fidelity because the needle moves at a different rate in the groove as it nears the center of the disk

So I think the highest fidelity is at the end of each side? I forget

They’ve apparently lost a lot of the art of balancing for this when they master new vinyl releases

@AccordionBruce @ai6yr @MCDuncanLab Highest fidelity is on the outer tracks. More inches of media per second...what we now call higher bitrate.

For a given value of "highest fidelity" at any rate. Sound does not degrade proportionally to the reduction in groove inches. It would be more noticeable at high frequencies that are filtered out when mastering anyway.

@W6KME @AccordionBruce @ai6yr @MCDuncanLab ISTR that in the pre-vinyl-as-cool-retro-tech era, there were occasional suggestions to make variable-RPM records that could play a lot longer by keeping the groove speed the same throughout (about the same as the speed used for the innermost part of a standard LP groove). Of course, that went nowhere for fairly clear reasons, but CDs started out with the same design and it certainly helped playback time.
@ai6yr hear me out...
1) shuffle play on a record....
A) place camera with pattern recognition above record. Identify song and between song locations.
B) use stepper motor to lift the needle arm in z direction (or whatever that sound picky uppy thingy dingy is called)
C) use second stepper motor to translocate said needle arm within xy plane to locations identified in (A)
D) have software engineer write routine to coordinate A,B and C to achieve shuffle play

@carstenfranke

It's a--

It's a--

It's a--

It's a--

it's a--jukebox!!!!

@ai6yr

@sasutina13 @ai6yr I thought a jukebox was allowing you to select between different records. My genius invention (patent pending) would allow you to select individual songs on a single record.

@carstenfranke

That seems even better than the LP jukeboxes.

@ai6yr

@ai6yr I dipped my toes into vinyl about three years ago, now I’m all in with vintage vacuum tube amplification, TT and speakers.

It’s all old gear (the Dynaco amps are older than me) and it’s all needed work to get into shape.

It’s been a fun rabbit hole to jump into, and I really don’t have all that much invested.

The sound quality is astonishing!

Along this journey I’ve started listening to 1955-1970 instrumental jazz, mostly on the Blue Note label.

This is all new music to me. The textures and atmospheres of the recordings really touch something deep inside for me.

#VintageHifi #hifi #vinyl

@markc568 Exactly, ALL NEW MUSIC! Cool on the tube gear!!!
@markc568 @ai6yr
I used to have a tube Dynaco amp in high school. I think it might have been a kit? My speakers were a kit. I still have them. Sound great. Speakerlab out of Seattle. It appears they are still there.
https://speakerlab.net/
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@lin11c @ai6yr From what I have seen, Dynaco were mostly kits, though you could get them fully built also.

Mine were built/owned by a guy who owned a local recording studio for decades.

The PAS preamp still has its original Dynaco-branded Telefunken 12AX7 tubes, which may contribute to its amazing sound.

@markc568 @ai6yr
They were very reasonable for such a cool amp. That's how I could afford it.

@lin11c @ai6yr These are still reasonable, I paid $400 for the PAS but it would have been $350 without the wood case.

Also these are very nice to work on, which is a bonus for something that might need some work from time to time.

@markc568 @ai6yr I have a Dual brand turntable, very similar to yours, with similar vintage and style (woodgrain laminate and brushed metal) Akai amplifier / tuner and tape deck, with a big pair of Avid speakers, bought by boomer parents in the 60s/70s.

It was normal then to fly from Australia to Fiji to buy them all duty free, and then ship it back.

@markc568 @ai6yr hey, I’ve got that Dyna pre-amp too! I got it in the late 80s for $50 iirc. Got an Adcom solid state amp tho. All still works great although I don’t listen to it near as much as I used to. Qobuz on my phone is what I listen to mostly

@markc568 @ai6yr

That speaker looks shocked - maybe scarred for life - by your music selections…

@ai6yr added bonus: you can use all that speaker wire you got for making antennas to wire up your speakers
@flyingsaceur My parents had a record player, but I definitely grew up in the cassette age, not the record age. The Sony Walkman Generation probably. They still have the record player, but I rarely played or used it back then, only when I was in elementary school I believe. They only had classical music and a couple of movie/TV soundtrack albums.
@ai6yr
Some interesting tidbits
Several companies including RCA (in partnership with Chrysler) made automobile record players (usually using the 45rpm format.

Lots of living room record players had mechanisms to stack multiple records and play them sequentially. You'll occasionally find sets that were designed for this mode of play because they'll have the ordering that you play each records side A then each one's side B (eg 1a, 2a, 3a, 1b, 2b 3b) you'd play the stack then flip the whole thing over and put it back on the changer.

Really fancy tangential tracking turntables at the apex of the technology (like the Beogram 4000), could, among other features, detect the track gaps and automatically position the tone arm, seek to different tracks, or repeat several tracks.

There were also models that used lasers or optical pickups surprisingly earlier than you might think. Philco made such a model (the "beam of light") in the 1940s!!!

@ai6yr

With records it's easy to play around with the speed.

A friend used to put on a 45 of The Supremes singing "Reflections" then switch the lever to 33 1/3 rpms and claim it sounded just like The Four Tops
(tempo was a bit draggy but the voices did drop an octave or so)

@sadele2 I have noticed that is something DJs do (digitally?), I assume it's an artifact of the record era.

@ai6yr

"Who is this Englebert Humperdink guy, anyway"

So... I went and read his Wikipedia. Wow.

Dude has seen some shit.

@troy_frizzell I think "Vegas Lounge Act" looking up his music... Then you look at what he was doing in the 80's and 90's, lol. (Vegas act)

@ai6yr

I actually remember his television show on ABC. My mom loved that guy.

I was struck by his cross over appeal between America and UK in "country" music. I mean, several of his hits are written by American country and western songwriters.

@troy_frizzell @ai6yr Engelbert is quite a big deal among my people. Not "Hoff - Looking for Freedom " big deal but close :)
@marcotietz @troy_frizzell LOL my in-laws were in Germany? Austria? and astounded when they were at a concert and the massive standing ovation for David Hasselhoff when he made an appearance, didn't realize at ALL he'd found a new career/home overseas... lol.
@ai6yr @troy_frizzell him in front of the wall in Berlin in 1989 (well technically New Year's of that year) singing "looking for freedom " will always have a special place in the heart of Germans of a certain age. Yeah, it's silly, but it's one of those 'you had to be there ...' moments. Times were different...
@marcotietz @troy_frizzell So interesting. He was known here for Baywatch and Knight Rider, and then... nothing.
@ai6yr @troy_frizzell it's one of those those very strange stories that no agent or marketing campaign could think of. Did we think he was the greatest songwriter or singer in the world? Of course not. But things just aligned and The Hoff (which btw nobody calls him that back home) became a legend ... ;) I like it for being a story not planned, not directed by someone.
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@troy_frizzell @ai6yr

Yes indeed. Engelbert Humperdinck lived a full life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(singer)

Engelbert Humperdinck (singer) - Wikipedia

@ai6yr
(There are new players. Some don't suck. Many do. Jeffy Bezzy can sell them.)