if you think the users are stupid, then you are letting your own arrogance reduce your own ability to analyze the problem space fully.

users do things that make sense to them in the moment. failure to understand the context where an action -makes sense- and is thus the correct action to choose is a skill issue on your part.

yes, it is frequently very the fuck difficult to figure out the context wherein a user might choose to do a thing that constitutes a security problem.

that is what you are paid for. get good.

if it were easy they wouldnae call it work, fuckface.

now, I will grant, for those of us who grew up dealing with asshole elders who refused to even consider learning how to interact with computers and demanded things "just work" that were wholly unreasonable, yeah, the 80s, '90s, and early '00s sucked.

get over it.

the fucking boomer dipshits are dying off, and a bunch of zeds and alphas are growing up with an ecosystem that's completely fucked for any attempt to learn on their own.

perhaps fix things for them instead of assuming they magically had access to magazines with BASIC listings and permissive environments where experimentation was at least tolerated, instead of being given a fucking menuless UI on a locked-down kiosk with fuck AI search results either refusing to give them necessary knowledge because it's "Hacking" or telling them to snort glue?

have you -seen- the world that they're experiencing now?

shit, the modern mobile OSs don't even want to acknowledge that filesystems exist in the UI. how the shit is a kid supposed to learn the "correct" way to do things in this situation?

@munin That's where interest in finding out, IT lessons at school, reading and tinkering come into play. But if a user isn't interested in how the tool.they're using work, they will not attempt to learn.

@jsl

buddy, you can only have an interest in finding out if the resources are -there to tell you that there's something to find out-

you're blaming users for not knowing about something they're deliberately told doesn't exist.

that's fucked up.

@munin @jsl
"you can only have an interest in finding out if the resources are -there to tell you that there's something to find out"

Yeah, this kind of conundrum is why I've suggested creating GUIs where the user stagnating into a "know-nothing luser" is impossible:
https://fe.disroot.org/notice/B61RfP0sq02tRTpIjw

It'd be really cool if someone made a desktop environment where you can to pull up a program's source code by just right-clicking on the window or launcher icon: or if you could invoke those context menus from a button on the window bar.

(bonus points if the Linux Phone people add this functionality to an Android-style navigation bar)
Moses Izumi (@[email protected])

I'm not a programmer: but ever since I started dabbling in ZDoom modding I've staunchly believed that every computer user should have at least know the basics of scripting and software development....