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Adam Chovanec Jun 18

Christian Stöcker

Well, at least they‘re honest: Screw the planet, screw your children‘s future, our loss-making, billions-burning business model is more important. Quick! More gas! Like a con man creating time pressure. Meanwhile the heat is escalating like never before.
#AI #Climateemergency

Christian Stöcker Jun 18

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

https://www.wired.com/story/west-antarctica-is-missing-way-too-much-ice/

Europe must choose between AI and climate goals, data center lobby says

Tech sector says only carbon-emitting gas plants are reliable enough today to power the EU’s AI goals.

POLITICO

Benjamin Braatz Jun 18

@chrisstoecker “If AI falls behind, it means that we will have to buy it forever rather than build it now.” … How does this non sequitur even make any sense?

Saupreiss #Präparat500 👅🥚🥚Jun 18

What I dislike is the idea of AI being something like a physical law. It is not. It’s a result of choices made.

Benjamin Braatz Jun 18

@Saupreiss @chrisstoecker Of course, it is not. But this statement is broken on even more levels.

Even if you want to do “AI” in general, the future might still be in small, local models trained on smaller training sets of curated high quality (and hopefully more ethically sourced) training data. Then there surely is no “forever“ dependency.

And even if you want to do the currently hyped behemoths (despite their climate, societal, and monetary costs), the time pressure seems hallucinated. Up to now, “AI” seems to be a field where it is quite easy to enter the competition at a later stage. Several of them have done that. Then there also is no “forever” dependency.

Saupreiss #Präparat500 👅🥚🥚Jun 18

I seem to Sound like an AI hater anyway. I am not. I have successfully used and implemented what was later called „AI“ well over ten years back.

What I oppose against are LLMs… 😉

Benjamin Braatz Jun 18

@Saupreiss What makes you think that you sound like an AI hater?

Saupreiss #Präparat500 👅🥚🥚Jun 18

@HeptaSean Things That come out of my mouth. 😁

@Saupreiss For the faithful the slightest concern is heresy. You should not care. @HeptaSean

@Saupreiss @HeptaSean @chrisstoecker

As with ALL tech, of ALL time.

GhostOnTheHalfShell Jun 18

@HeptaSean @chrisstoecker

Do you wanna take a guess how the document was produced?

Roy Schulz Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Wieso wird ein Widerspruch zwischen Klimazielen und AI kreiert? AI braucht doch billige Energie, und die gibt es nur mit den Erneuerbaren.

Saupreiss #Präparat500 👅🥚🥚Jun 18

1.) Erneuerbare bedürfen Steuerung. Das wäre kein Problem. Bei der durch den Boom ausgelösten Krise der Hardwarepreise wird aber 24/7-Betrieb möglichst auf Volllast benötigt.
2.) Es gibt nicht genug EE dafür. Es gibt auch nicht genügend Fossile dafür. Und auch nicht genug Atomkraft.
3.) Die Energie wird für Sinnvolleres benötigt.

Stefan Mesch Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Politico is a right-wing site run by right-wing Axel Springer. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/apr/08/how-axel-springer-germany-mathias-doepfner-us-political

‘A full-on embrace’: how the EU’s largest news publisher fell in love with the US

Mathias Döpfner, ‘guru-like’ CEO of Axel Springer, wants to expand – but critics say his stated values sometimes don’t line up with what appears in his titles

The Guardian

Christian Stöcker Jun 18

@smeschmesch Well, a quote is a quote. And the "Politico" newsroom seems less than thrilled with Döpfner lately. https://www.semafor.com/article/04/27/2026/axel-springer-politico-execs-meet-with-staff-after-letter-warns-ceo-risks-undermining-our-reputation

Exclusive: Axel Springer, Politico execs meet with staff after letter warns CEO risks ‘undermining our reputation’

The letter singled out two recent op-eds by parent company CEO Matthias Dopfner.

Stefan Mesch Jun 18

@chrisstoecker yeah, I don't think we should quote them.

do what you want. but it's weird that you inform people "Don't mainstream NIUS" (so good! thanks for that!) and then screenshot Politico to encourage shares of that Politico screenshot.

Thorsten Rochelmeyer Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Grotesk einfache Entscheidung:

[ ] KI

[ X ] Klimaziele

I yield my time!

GhostOnTheHalfShell Jun 18

@thorsten4future @chrisstoecker

“ Grotesk einfache Entscheidung”

There is a beautiful clarity to the German language and I really should dust off a few bits I remember and pick it up again.

Dorin Lazăr 🇷🇴🇪🇺Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Politico Europe is, after all, one of the propaganda arms of the US interests in Europe. They are basically RT, only with US instead of R.

@chrisstoecker

We are #Europe, hence we should be helpful driving the decision making process.

AI

3.9%

Climate

96.1%

Poll ended at Jun 19 at 8:28am.

Saupreiss #Präparat500 👅🥚🥚Jun 18

Why Choose one of them?

tschenkel Jun 19

@Saupreiss @kobold @chrisstoecker

Well, given the wording of the poll @Saupreiss is right:

Due to its resource requirements, AI causes increased climate change. So...

@chrisstoecker they're right : we need to chose between AI and climate goals. Let's cancel all data center projects !

I am wondering what would happen if the token-prize was bound to/dependent on the day-ahead market for electricity.

I know, with current hardware shortage, they would prefer it to run 24/7. But with flexible cost, one should shift the workload to times with abundant clean energy.

@jonasgraphie @chrisstoecker It's a very good idea. Most of the AI workloads - at least the ones that matter, like sequencing proteins to find new cures - can easily be scheduled at the cheap solar power time.

schMERZensreich underwasser Jun 18

@chrisstoecker NEIIN es ist genau andersrum, die Linksprogressiven zensieren alles zu Tode
https://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_censorship

Dirk Eibach Jun 18

@chrisstoecker I guess the plan is to burn planet earth, than pack your billionaire / trillionaire friends into a spaceship and start burning mars.

Dud and Forgotten.Jun 18

@de I think we've already been there, and that's why it's the state it's in. @chrisstoecker

Günter D.Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Offenbar entsteht gerade wegen der fehlenden demokratischen Legitimation der Einführung immer neuer Anwendungen von KI mitsamt ihrer komplexen, impliziten Wirkungen gerade eine eine Maschinenstürmer-Bewegung 2.0
https://www.3sat.de/kultur/kulturzeit/unesco-welterbe-hoehlenkloster-in-kiew-bei-angriff-beschaedigt-sendung-vom-16-06-2026-100.html

Ab Sendungsminute 7:53 und 11:05

Kritik und Skepsis ergibt sich natürlich daraus, ob hier eine nachhaltige Bewegung entsteht, die auch die Wirtschaft (Wettbewerbsfähigkeit!) erfasst. Oder ereilt sie das Schicksal der Klimabewegung ganz allgemein.

Kiew: Unesco-Welterbe bei Angriff beschädigt

Die Themen der "Kulturzeit" vom 16.06.2026: Kiewer Kloster, Ilja Jaschin, Proteste gegen KI, Bill Murray, Arena Wien, Abdullah Ibrahim gestorben.

Sepia Fan Jun 18

Die Bildbeschreibung zum ersten Bild ist nur ein "A". Mausgerutscht?

Christian Stöcker Jun 18

@stekopf Bug. Gefixt.

Georg Kury Jun 18

Einblick in die Trump-Welt.

In der realen Welt haben aktuell bestellte Gasturbinen das Jahr 2031 bis 2033 als Lieferdatum. Die Kosten pro Megawatt sind von 1 Million Dollar auf 2 bis 3 Millionen Dollar gestiegen und Siemens verlangt Gebühren für Fertigungs-Zeitfenster.

https://gasturbinehub.com/q1-2026-the-gas-turbine-boom-is-real-but-the-bottleneck-is-the-market/

#17 Q1 2026: The Gas Turbine Boom Is Real, But the Bottleneck Is the Market - GasTurbineHub

Three paths now shape the market: controlled growth, demand destruction, or gradual capacity expansion.

GasTurbineHub - The Biggest News of Gas Turbines Visualised

conscientious objector🇨🇭🪂Jun 18

Darum habe ich mich gegen Kinder und für eine Klimaanlage entschieden. Das ist nun seit 30 Jahren klar, dass wir Menschen nicht fähig und willens sind, den #Klimawandel zu bekämpfen.

Herzleid Jun 18

@chrisstoecker It should be so easy to just say "No" but … apparently not.
😞

@chrisstoecker i'd rather live in a world with trees then data centers...

Asta McCarthy Jun 18

@chrisstoecker links: https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

https://www.wired.com/story/west-antarctica-is-missing-way-too-much-ice/

And #ALT4you for the politico article: "screenshot of the Politico article that reads :' Europe must choose between AI and climate goals, data center lobby says

Tech sector says only carbon-emitting gas plants are reliable enough today to power the EU’s AI goals.' "

Europe must choose between AI and climate goals, data center lobby says

Tech sector says only carbon-emitting gas plants are reliable enough today to power the EU’s AI goals.

POLITICO

Christian Stöcker Jun 18

@AstaMcCarthy The links are in the the first reply to the post...

Dominik 🇺🇦🇪🇺Jun 18

Langsam erinert mich dieser KI-Wahn an Matrix

@chrisstoecker for those who need altText, the first image appears to be a screenshot from Politico, the article titled Europe must choose between AI and climate goals, data center lobby says. The second image about West Antarctica, looks to be from Wired magazine

Christian Stöcker Jun 18

@tsyum Weird. There was Alt-Text in both screenshots, Fedica seems to have eaten the first. Fixed it.

Wouter De Borger Jun 18

@chrisstoecker pertinent remark. We choose climate goals, thank you very much.

GhostOnTheHalfShell Jun 18

Choose between AI and climate goals?

The choice is the same as we can have billionaires or decision-making power in our lives.

I know I know that that’s a really tough choice

Usona Homarano Jun 18

@chrisstoecker we won't need a climate if we can build a self-modifying artificial superintelligence to destroy us.

@chrisstoecker On the one hand, it would be nice for people to be able to continue living for at least another few decades, but on the other hand, I really like being told made up bullshit with utter confidence, eliminating the usefulness of recording devices, writing horrendous code with little effort, and letting my critical thinking and problem solving skills atrophy, so I guess we'll just have to flip a coin.

MaddieM4 Jun 18

@chrisstoecker I just love how embarrassing and straightforward this ultimatum is, how they've presented the world's easiest and least personally favorable choice to a continent that already largely sees through the grift. It's got that _For Baskins_ energy.

https://pbfcomics.com/comics/for-baskins/

DerSchulze Jun 18

@chrisstoecker Klimaziele, ganz klar Klimaziele.

Alexander Goeres 𒀯 6d ago

@Christian Stöcker last time when the west antarctic ice shield was missing, ca 120 ky ago, the sea level was ca 9 m higher than today ....