Eric Rose
jiub 
now that vim is ai slop and emacs has banned ai contributions, i declare the editor wars over with an emacs victory
LR@jiub https://youtu.be/igPTYJAcMgQ i often think of this
Alle Video der Corona "Helden" Kampagne der Regierung.
datenwolf@datenwolf yes! that's probably the better option for most people tbh
i actually don't hate vim, i just find the editor wars to be funny
i actually don't hate vim, i just find the editor wars to be funny
Yes, but did you ever open Vim in front of RMS's eyes so that he could type a few terms that came up in an afk discussion into your ~/notes.txt ?
@datenwolf hahaha like a boss
would be worth using it just for that :3
would be worth using it just for that :3
tusharhero@datenwolf @jiub I think he will struggle to type anything into it
Sort of… what happened was, that RMS instead just opted for voice dictation, having me do the typing.
ArneBab@datenwolf I don’t think I was there, but I’d sure have liked to see that ☺
(I use Emacs and I still remember how sourceforge SVN greeted me with a vim editor and I killed the terminal to get out -- that’s why I learned vim basics before learning Emacs)
@tusharhero @jiub
Ah, okay, then I misremembered. I edited my post, removing that remark.
Forgot to set EDITOR in your ~/.profile – eh? Funny thing is, Emacs was the first *nix editor I learnt, using it excessively around the turn of the century.
But when I got to do more and more work over SSH over laggy connections I tried Vim and its modeal line oriented way of doing things and immediately took to it.
@datenwolf I still had a Mac back then and didn’t even know about ~/.profile
My main use for an editor is writing, code or prose, and for that modal editing annoys me.
That said: magit is modal editing to the core, and it’s among the most beloved Emacs tools.
@tusharhero @jiub
@datenwolf (via SSH I mostly use nano)
schratze@datenwolf @jiub omg, I hope you thoroughly disinfected your laptop after that
Seize
I'll have to look into it myself later.
llewelly@Seize @jiub
1/2
haven't used either (not recently anway) so take with a grain of salt, but:
viper-mode is older, designed to emulate vi as it was prior to vim. It does not emulate the improvements of vim. evil-mode is much newer (although still over a decade old) and designed to emulate vim (vi improved).
viper-mode comes builtin to emacs; you don't need to install anything to run it. evil-mode requires installing an additional package (evil-mode) using the emacs package management system.
@Seize @jiub
2/2
(I believe this is explained in the official docs, but I can't get www.gnu.org to respond, so here is emacswiki instead. )
ZenieViper mode is a vi emulation mode from the 90's
It is still usable but takes a bit of work to bring it to the future. Like it doesn't have multiple undo unless you start adding tweaks.
Evil mode was derived from viper mode in 2011. It is a full on Vim emulation.
Where viper was minimalist and worked more or less harmoniously within the Emacs environment, Evil was the opposite. It is problematic in it's near complete usurpation of emacs behaviors and key bindings.
Meow is more like Helix (movement then verb) and works harmoniously within the Emacs bindings and behaviors.
I use Meow with ex stolen from evil.
sm4llth1ng@jiub for others there is at least vim-classic which is a fork of 8.x and forbid ai slop.
for once be evil (and use evil-mode) 😁
for once be evil (and use evil-mode) 😁
bazkie 👩🏼💻 bitplanes 🎵@jiub yay! I knew emacs was better than vim!
aismallard@aismallard @jiub sorry too late, emacs has already been announced winner! 🏆 🥇 no backsies! 🤭
link twink 
@[email protected] hmmmm i don't remember meowing that much 
it's very easy to lose control from the joy of meowing
@[email protected] meow! 
Kytty 
@shelter_kytty noooo 
someone pointed out this fork https://vim-classic.org/
dunno if that can be used for nixvim
someone pointed out this fork https://vim-classic.org/
dunno if that can be used for nixvim
Dr. Camille@jiub it's such an unexpected turn of events given how much emacs users love to write packages to integrate every LLMs in every parts of Emacs and only talk about AI.
But I'm glad they're banned from the core project
But I'm glad they're banned from the core project
Dragon of BSDCafe 
wyatt 
@StupidCamille i had no idea but i saw a bunch of emacs slop tools when i was searching for info about the policy
actually a bit surprised by that because the emacs users i've known irl were the biggest unix curmudgeons (loving) while vim users were more normie
actually a bit surprised by that because the emacs users i've known irl were the biggest unix curmudgeons (loving) while vim users were more normie
@jiub yeah, ironically vim users are usually text editor power users while emacs users are the real weirdos (affectionate)
@StupidCamille TIL!
Peter Brett@StupidCamille Can confirm, I am an Emacs user and weirdo
Tyrone Slothrop@krans @StupidCamille @jiub /me turning in a circle, pointing every which way:
“You’re ALL really weird, do you realize that??!”
Clover@jiub @StupidCamille it's not weird to me since like, writing emacs packages is relatively easy, so there are packages for everything, anything that has a few users will have a package written by someone who wanted to use it themselves
@jiub @StupidCamille this has generally been my experience (i have only met one other emacs user my age and most are much older)
sparrows (doll arc) :flaglesbian::neoamazonia::vriskasip:@StupidCamille @jiub i think those are a vocal minority of emacs users, the overwhelming majority of the addons i use are still slop free
@StupidCamille @jiub it is not monolithic. And the policy of #Emacs is the general policy of the #gnu policy.
hazel 
🤖Robot Enby Xero🤖
Mira Jin
@mira it sucks to see this kind of destruction 
someone pointed out this project https://vim-classic.org/
someone pointed out this project https://vim-classic.org/
delta 
Resuna
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