RE: https://ohai.social/@Garwboy/116753869821948051

Unintended consequences - The age verification debate is backwards. It prioritizes theoretical risks to privileged kids over documented harms to those already marginalized. For disabled youth, LGBTQ+ teens, and kids in unstable homes, social media isn't a distraction—it's a lifeline. Banning access punishes the most vulnerable while doing nothing about algorithmic harms. Real policy would protect without erasing. #AgeVerification #DigitalEquity #DisabilityJustice #a11y #MarginalizedVoices

@debby The purpose has always been control and surveillance.

@debby

Lawmakers should focus on regulating the systems that cause harm, making social media platforms a safe space for everyone, regardless of age.

https://eupolicy.social/@edri/116754778452722256

@debby I disagree. I don’t think those are unintentional consequences. I think those are the point. It’s about further harms to the marginalised. After all, if your community can’t exist in public, then making sure it can’t exist online is the next step to trapping people in the closet. But I agree that a real, sensible policy would protect people from the social media companies.

@mauvedeity

You're pointing to a real pattern, and you're right to notice it. I think the difference is in the diagnosis, not the danger.

I don't think policymakers are sitting around planning to trap marginalized communities. But you're correct that policies systematically harm them first and hardest—and that looks and feels like targeting from the inside. Here's why that happens without requiring malice:

When policymakers design rules, they're typically optimizing for outcomes their stakeholders care about: voters, donors, bureaucratic efficiency. Marginalized communities aren't usually ignored out of spite—they're simply not centered in the decision. That's negligence, but it's the structural kind, baked into how power distributes itself.

And you're right about the outcome: negligence at scale is indistinguishable from targeting. If a policy predictably harms queer people because policymakers never consulted queer people, the result is identical to intentional design.

Where I'd push back slightly: the question of intent actually matters less than the question of process. If this is a conspiracy, you need to replace the conspirators. If it's structural negligence, you need to change how policy gets made—center affected communities in design, make it politically costly to ignore foreseeable harms, build in real accountability. That second approach is harder, but it's more likely to actually work.

@ddgulledge

@debby @ddgulledge wow. I am having many thoughts but it is also late here so I’m going to sleep on this. Thank you for sharing!
@debby @ddgulledge having thought some more - I don’t think the policy makers are necessarily trying to hurt people, but I think that some of their constituents are, and those loud voices and up driving the agenda.
@debby @mauvedeity The control part of age restrictions is obvious enough. The surveillance happens when proof is required that someone has taken all of the required steps to prevent violation. Some grocery stores now scan the barcode on a driver's license for age verification. As a customer, I have no way to be sure that my identity isn't stored in that system along with the fact that I purchased alcohol. That's surveillance.
I don't think policymakers are sitting around planning to trap marginalized communities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses
Robert Moses - Wikipedia

"unintended" 🙄