R.L. Dane 
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Greetings from #Devuan! ;)
Managed to blitz NetworkManger removing unneeded packages, lol.
Thank goodness for rescue mode in the installer! 😄
sotolfYeah, Devuan is Debian minus systemd (which you can still do manually by dropping into a shell during Debian installation, but this was easier. XD)
I'm still running Linux on several boxen. This was my CachyOS laptop, but I decided to hop to Devuan next.
I've got an OpenSuse SFF desktop and my work machine is vanilla Debian. ;)
^. .^ Paul Wilde 
@rl_dane @sotolf systemd-less distros are an absolute dream.
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
thedoctor@paul I don't feel qualified enough to really contribute anything meaningful to the whole pro/con discussion but it was my impression that the whole systemd issue isn't quite as black and white as it is often made out to be.
I remember reading a forum post by an Arch maintainer that went fairly in-depth on the whole situation and they argued that the status pre-systemd was worse in Arch.
@rl_dane @sotolf
@thedoctor @paul @rl_dane I might be weird, but I really liked the rc.d system that arched used to have before systemd, it might be that it was ugly behind the scenes, but as a user it was really nice to use :)
I only wish Devuan used init 3 for text multiuser and init 5 for graphical (greeter) multiuser like old RedHat used. That was a nice setup. But I guess it's easy enough to just enable/disable the greeter of choice, which is what I did, because slim didn't want to see sway.
@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul I just use startx typing that is just as fast as doing the whole greeter thing, I don't need my pc to be polite :p
My only problem with not having a greeter is the default console font is so tiny. I've fixed that in Debian before, I'll need to look it up again.
Someday, I need to figure out how to increase the font size in Grub.
Can the installer not just pick a larger font by default is the display is 1080p? Sheesh. :P
@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul the password is blind typing anyway, and my username and startx I do manage without having to read it on screen :p