R.L. Dane 
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Greetings from #Devuan! ;)
Managed to blitz NetworkManger removing unneeded packages, lol.
Thank goodness for rescue mode in the installer! 😄
sotolfYeah, Devuan is Debian minus systemd (which you can still do manually by dropping into a shell during Debian installation, but this was easier. XD)
I'm still running Linux on several boxen. This was my CachyOS laptop, but I decided to hop to Devuan next.
I've got an OpenSuse SFF desktop and my work machine is vanilla Debian. ;)
^. .^ Paul Wilde 
@rl_dane @sotolf systemd-less distros are an absolute dream.
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
I have had zero issues with anything that would typically be a systemd task and both computers I have Alpine installed on have gained performance.
Why distros still use systemd is beyond me. #bloatware
thedoctor@paul I don't feel qualified enough to really contribute anything meaningful to the whole pro/con discussion but it was my impression that the whole systemd issue isn't quite as black and white as it is often made out to be.
I remember reading a forum post by an Arch maintainer that went fairly in-depth on the whole situation and they argued that the status pre-systemd was worse in Arch.
@rl_dane @sotolf
@thedoctor @paul @rl_dane I might be weird, but I really liked the rc.d system that arched used to have before systemd, it might be that it was ugly behind the scenes, but as a user it was really nice to use :)
@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane yeah, it was just BSD style init scripts, right?
Absolutely marvelous.
Alpine uses OpenRC which is very similar.
But systemd is bloat - it's not just the init system, it's everything, and that's not good.
init system, disk mounter, dns resolver, password checker, time resolver, and it does everything worse and more complicated than the stuff we had before :p
@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane yup.
it's great it's good for new users, I get it, they don't have to worry too much. But, it should be an easy exit if you don't want to use it.
it's great it's good for new users, I get it, they don't have to worry too much. But, it should be an easy exit if you don't want to use it.
Easy exits aren't compatible with world domination plans. :P