Mastodawn

Douglas Adams (via @pluralistic) on tech (paraphrased):

1. Born with it? Normal.
2. Invented age 15-35? Exciting, a career!
3. Invented after 35? Against the natural order.

The mind loves to draw lines and call it "reality." Inside is normal and outside is a threat. In yoga and meditation circles, we’d say the tech isn't the problem, it’s the attachment.

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💉*10 Roger Jun 13

@mtift @pluralistic hmm. I first encountered cloud services and Kubernetes at 60, I liked this way of doing things so I skilled up and worked in that space for most of a decade. Kind of over that stuff now, but I'm getting into Rust which is fun, a new languge for my 70s. Not touching AI, though. I did enough of that in the 90s and 00s.

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cybervegan

@rogerparkinson @mtift @pluralistic I have to say that "devops" was cool - VMs and containers are great - but when K8S and Docker became popular, it was always evident to me that it was overkill for small to medium orgs, in fact makes things a lot harder, more expensive and risky (due to data security problems like the CLOUD act etc.). I felt duty bound to learn it, but hated it.

Edit: particularly when hosted on cloud infra.

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Todd Knarr Jun 13

@cybervegan @rogerparkinson @mtift @pluralistic Only if you get your physical servers from someone else. If you run your own bare metal, K8S is great for minimizing the hassles of administering physical servers and streamlining provisioning of VMs.

To me containers are just a VM configured to run just one service, so you can skip all the multi-user and multi-service init crap.

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💉*10 Roger Jun 14

@tknarr @cybervegan @mtift @pluralistic agree. I moved from AWS and Google onto a local cluster. The local cluster was more fun, and we had more control over it. These days I'm doing more standalone things on tiny servers so k8s and even vms are overkill.

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cybervegan Jun 14

@tknarr @rogerparkinson @mtift @pluralistic I'm kinda old school - cut my teeth on Sun OS and Netware in the early 90s, so I think that colours my view somewhat. I prefer physical tin but have used jails (on BSDs), OVM and KVM and docker on Linux, VMware, LPAR (IBM iSeries) and a few I can't think of right now. I set up a k8s home lab during COVID lockdown, got it working. Did a couple of docker online courses. Concluded that for most uses, Kubernetes and docker ops are really only beneficial for much larger orgs where you need a whole farm of servers for each role with dynamic scalability. If you just want a redundant web server + db server, it's overkill: you're much better off with proxmox be and a handful of vms.