Rereading Plato's Republic. I think probably the best way to make sense of all the "certainly Socrates" and "it would seem so" when Socrates makes wild unsupported leaps in reasoning, is that his interlocutors are basically tuned out and are saying "sure, mm hmm, yeah wow" like you would to a child nattering on for an hour about different types of dinosaur or whatever
This is also why Cephalus excuses himself and leaves at the first opportunity
The stuff about how horrible Homer is and how poets all ought to be subjected to religious censorship remains bad imo
Arguably some irony that Plato would clearly ban Homer, if he could, for presenting negative role models to The Youth, while the contemporary very online semi-literate fash have all persuaded themselves that Homer does nothing but present positive role models, and are furious with Emily Wilson and Christopher Nolan for suggesting otherwise
Like - its' really funny how close this is to fash chud Roman statue avatar Twitter discourse - except the statue avatar dickheads haven't read Homer, so they blame woke translators for making Achilles too effeminate
Just making some notes here so I can find the passages I want again later. Pages 1062-3 of the Cooper-edited Plato Complete Works: the discussion of self-control.
Page 1071 onwards - the discussion of the tripartite soul (this is mostly what I'm reading for)
not sure I 100% subscribe to Plato's quite detailed covert collectivist eugenics scheme
Honestly, Book V is like Doctor Strangelove's plan for the post-apocalyptic US breeding program