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Update first, then upgrade

Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.

sudo pacman -Syu

Is it even apt-get still? thought they changed over to apt long ago and apt-get is just a symlink for legacy reasons.

At least that’s what I last read… as someone also loving candy.

apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).
apt is meant more for user interaction and apt-get is more stable and more for scripting. But apt-get is often used in online tutorials because it doesn’t really change.

I think it wasn’t for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.

I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.

I gave up.

A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn’t handle it well.

It’s insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.

yay
which yay yay: aliased to paru
It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s
Apt-get is unnecessary nowadays, just use apt.
sudo supper dup
This is the correct answer.
There’s dozens of us!
A few dozens at least!!
[happy zypper noises]

sudo guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm

Then you don’t even have to worry about what happens when an evil monkey unplugs your computer in the middle of an update.

sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autopurge
I thought it was dist-upgrade
dist-upgrade has essentially been replaced by full-upgrade in the recent years.
You forgot -y
… && apt-get moo
Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I’m a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn’t believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn’t get it right?

I reinstalled Windows 11 a while ago because of a software I struggled to get working on Linux (the adobe installer patches for WINE have since resolved that) and I had no idea how annoying the installation process is. You had to babysit it, and tell it your life’s story. Not to mention the amount of times it asked me to sign up for MS 365 and OneDrive. In the end, it enabled OneDrive anyway, despite me telling it to sod off at least half a dozen times.

And that’s just the install process. Using it is another beast entirely. Why do I need to accept a UAC prompt just to open a browser? Why does the browser need to update itself every time I boot the OS?

Why do I have to hunt all over the internet for basic stuff that should come with the OS itself? Even when I used an NVidia card I didn’t have to faff around with some stupid third party software to handle drivers, it was just there. Sure it broke all the time because NVidia is a garbage company, but it was right there!

This is what happens when app devs make the installer instead of system doing via package manager

“Fun” fact: Windows is finally just now, in the year of our lord 2026, trying to release some updates as “live”. As in not requiring reboot.

It’s going better than you’d expect, but still far worse than they have any excuse for.

thats only if it actually downloads and installs. our enterprise windows installs like to take 5-10 attempts to actually get the software onto the computer. “Install failed. retry?”
Odd, most companies don’t have problems with them.
Cause the companies don’t install the updates, IT experts do. They do have problems with windows updates.
Also, not true.

Not exactly correct. They are releasing their hot patch service more broadly. These are updates that would normally require a restart no longer need to be restarted.

Just like Linux though, if you didn’t want to restart after updating you never really were forced to.

It’s all fun and games until you one day you see:

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

And it’s complaining about packages you’ve never heard of before.

sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt autopurge -y
On Fedora live update is turned of by default with a warning saying updating without rebooting is not recommended. As a cautious noob, I left it as is. Too cautious?
No. Fedora sometimes updates configs or packages (e.g. kernel) that require a reboot to take advantage of. If you’re a linux veteran you can dicide by yourself if or if not you need to reboot. But fedora to have a stable and smooth experience for all its users.
It would be nice if they could do the update with a single reboot. It is annoying to type LUKS password multiple times.

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && flatpak update -y

transactional-update :)
Incorrect order bud.
I just post memes bud. Occasionally make them, but more often just repost them.
Oh so other people can chirp at me when I’m posting in good faith but god forbid I do it. Lol. I don’t regret deleting all of my posts and comments. Someone else can take center stage for a while.

I just want to share that last semester, the Windows podium computer we used decided randomly to update during a student presentation. It did not help their nerves, but I did turn it into a chance to evangelize Linux.

And no, they can’t use their own laptop, the connections to the podium computer, and thus the projector, use VGA…

Not that it matters much but isn’t there cheap adapters to/from VGA?
Yes but it’s generally easier and less prone to issues to just open their PowerPoint (or really, Google sheets) on the podium since I’m already using it. I’m sure the admin uses adapters as their excuse not to update the hardware though… (even if they are still using Win 11 on decades old computers).

Honestly, I would prefer if a video projector wasn’t tossed as garbage if you can just buy a cheap adapter and put it in a box next to the podium.

We have enough electronic waste as it is!

Yes, same; the real solution is Linux podium with an adapter in every room by default. But that’s not happening anytime soon, lol.

Technically it’s not the projector with the issue either, the podium is more or less a very fancy hub with a monitor built in. I feel like the adapter could just be built in if necessary, lol.

I have had windows users tell me that a projector needs a usb adapter. While HDMI worked perfectly fine and I even got crazy high resolution (after configuring it myself in KDE)
Vga-hdmi adapters are trivial

For those who are confident in their system setup

sudo apt update && sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y
First thing I do on a new system using apt is aliasing this to “UpdateSystem” in .bashrc
🤦‍♂️ apt-get dist-upgrade
Does nothing - Bootc based/nixos
Update before upgrade you nonce
C’mon, it’s Debian! Obsolete anyway. Update today, upgrade in a week, not like things gonna change. Perhaps the man forgot the upgrade a week ago, upgraded, and then decided to double-check there’s nothing new anyway. Right?
No, no. You gotta update last to let them marinate for a while before you upgrade. If you upgrade too fast it just doesn’t taste the same.
i agree not as tender
Isn’t this how Non-Torvalds Linus bricked his install
You spelled dnf incorrectly
sudo apt upgrade -U -y

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