BeyondMachines 1d ago
You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.
Show threadFightScore
@beyondmachines1 To be fair, AI has its use, right? Maybe the business model just got to be better, maybe token count might need tweaking -- maybe put weight to something like output value, rather than input/output count.
To be sure, AI should not replace humans, rather augment us.
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Show threadTor Iver Wilhelmsen1d ago
@fightscore @beyondmachines1 Real AI sure, but the stochastic parrot LLMs not so much. I used to call them "machine lying" but lying requires knowledge of true and false and LLMs do not have that.
Show threadfh01d ago
@toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 sounds like you never experienced an LLM finding the source of a production bug based on log files, code and given context, in less than 10min where you would have needed at least half a day
Show threadJacob Ibรกรฑez ๐Ÿ”’1d ago
@fh0 @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 and finding that bug is worth all the fucking misery that it brings? I'm so fed up with this argument, things don't exist in a void and magnitude matters. Please, use your brains and stop embarrassing yourselves before you use that goddamn argument again. Please.
Show threaddavecb ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ1d ago
@iakobsdesamos @fh0 @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1
LLMs understand language. Telling me
- what the computer said is contradictory, or
- what I said is ungrammatical
is genuinely helpful. The other stuff? Not so much.
Show threadFightScore5h ago
@iakobsdesamos @fh0 @toriver @beyondmachines1 AI is just a tool, with abilities as diverse as people. It is still in infancy, but there is hope it would be better, yes? At least there are improvements year on year.
But I would like some insight why all these hate towards it. It seems to me that the debate is not whether the thing is half-full or half-empty, but borders on whether or not the thing will somehow cause a cataclysm by itself. (Hoping it wont ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ˜)
A deep breath might calm us down. ๐Ÿ™‚โ€โ†•๏ธ
Show threadKid Cavaquinho ๐Ÿ‰๐ŸŒป1d ago

@fh0

The thing is that you will spend half a day working on something else anyway so what's the point?

@toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1

Show threadfh01d ago
@ballalloi I don't get what you wanna say.
The point is, it is not simply black & white and the results aren't all useless. LLMs can be a helpful tool. (Doesn't imply that I think blindly using and trusting LLMs for everything is a good idea, nor that I don't see all the problems that it can cause.)
Show threadKid Cavaquinho ๐Ÿ‰๐ŸŒป1d ago

@fh0

What I want to say is: if I'm working and I have half a day to solve a problem, and with LLMs it only takes 10 minutes, can I take that half day off?

Show threadfh01d ago
@ballalloi for that to happen we need a new system. :D Of course it only results in more stress, the expectation of doing more things in parallel and getting more things done at the same time.
If workers benefit when efficiency increases, is a totally different topic. My point was that it is not the case that all LLM results are useless and that of course it can be a helpful tool.
Show threadKid Cavaquinho ๐Ÿ‰๐ŸŒป1d ago

@fh0

Yes, you are right in that, I took it off topic a bit :)

Show threadHolgintheair12h ago

@ballalloi

Thatโ€™s how automation was said to be going to work back in the 70s.

@fh0

Show threadMaggie Maybe1d ago
@ballalloi @fh0 @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 or lose a half day of pay because thereโ€™s nothing to do. Is AI going to spend that token $ in the community or will it be hoarded in off shore accounts benefiting no one but our wealthy overlords?
Show threadJargoggles1d ago
@fh0 @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1
This is shockingly similar to how gambling addicts talk.
Show threadKg. Madee โ…ก.1d ago
@fh0 profile pic checks out
Show threadMycotropic1d ago

@[email protected] @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1

Sounds like you never experienced two day per week watering because of a changing environment and having that available water flowing into a data center drive up your cost for those two days as well.
Regardless; defend this shit all you want but I don't feel inclined to read your comments. #KTB

Show threadThe Lack Thereof 23h ago

@fh0
In my experience at work, that happens sometimes! But it's outnumbered easily 3:1 by cases where it goes down rabbit holes based on fundamentally wrong starting assumptions.

If the LLM bug-triage bot at work says one more time "oh yeah this kernel panic issue is clearly due to a problem in this testing shell script" I STG I will scream.
@toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1

Show threadOctorine21h ago
@lackthereof @fh0 @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 Yeah. Whenever I ask AI to review anything it finds all kinds of issues, 90% of which are completely made up.
Show threadfh07h ago
@octorine wild, with current models I get about 10% false positives
Show threadZimmie1d ago
@toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 LLMs do have an economic use, itโ€™s just the use theyโ€™re good for is a societal negative: theyโ€™re really, really good for the spam industry and for fraudsters. No coincidence many of the companies pushing them are effectively advertising companies.
Show threadfedithom1d ago

@fightscore

No. GenAI just needs to die.

https://social.saarland/@fedithom/112455121136790239
@beyondmachines1

Show threadTattie1d ago
@fightscore issuing correction on the above post, regarding the fascist-run planet-killing slop machines. you do not, under any circumstances, 'gotta hand it to them.'
@beyondmachines1
Show threadcanleaf08โœ… ๅŠ ๆ‹ฟๅคง่‘‰ๅญ ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆโšง๏ธ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ1d ago
@fightscore @beyondmachines1 really? LLMs have no use. real AI has use much more than an autocomplete.
Show threadWesDym1d ago

@fightscore There are things it's proven very good at, mostly things it's already been doing for some years. Protein-folding, for example.

At the risk of discomforting some people, a good way to think about it is that AI tends to be good at things that autistic people are -- monotonous scanning, counting, etc. -- but has essentially perfect memory compared to humans, and far more powerful computational capacity. So it's good at things that require those tasks.

But not most other stuff.

Show threadalci15h ago
@wesdym @fightscore what you describe is computing, not AI.
Show threadWesDym13h ago
@alci What the fuck do you think AI is?